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offline Glitch from New Zealand on 2004-05-15 22:03 [#01190281]
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and what gives you confidence? I try to imagine sometimes
why some people are more confident than others.. . it just
perplexes me to no end. ..


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-05-15 22:06 [#01190283]
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you are born with that personality.

i've come to my own conclusion that the more you know, the
less confident you get; as you tend to evaluate things a
little bit more deeply and in turn, rate and depict apart
yourself more. Thus, causing less confidence.


 

offline GIR from Easton on 2004-05-15 22:07 [#01190284]
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excellent theory...but i dont have enough confidence to
believe im knowledgable in such matters :(

im horrible with confidence...it comes and goes rather
rapidly...and it is NEVER with girls.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-15 22:10 [#01190285]
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I am fairly sure based on things I've read and experienced
that this is largely culturally in nature and less genetic
in nature. With humans, any behavior that is rewarded tends
to be repeated and any that is punished made less frequent.
Certain individuals, while their brains developed in
adolecence some time hit a point where they had to either
make a move or not make a move to do some thing risky. If
they were rewarded, they repeated it and adopted that
behavior as part of their personality.


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-05-15 22:32 [#01190294]
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It can be based on pretty much anything.

let me tell you a nice tip, which is to be applied in _any_
context: never depend on only one thing. If you want decent
self confidence, don't let only one thing (your abilities in
a certain field, association with a certain group of people)
provide support in any region of your life.

also, never underestimate people's ability to lie, avoid,
and ignore. Supreme confidence is unhealthy since that
indicates a lack of self-doubt hence self-criticism which is
a method to notify yourself of areas of improvement.

all needs to be taken in moderation.

[/end]


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-05-15 22:34 [#01190295]
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i like that conclusion.


 

offline cie jiks mawp from motion to descend (Australia) on 2004-05-15 23:57 [#01190324]
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confidence takes courage at first, you try to be confident
when your stomach is churning and if you keep at it it gets
easier and becomes more of a natural state.


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-05-16 00:02 [#01190327]
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i really agree with elusive(and everyone else who agrees
with him) on this one... being conscious of the fact that
nothing is certain, everything is contrived, arbitrary,
etc., etc. you know conclusions that we've kind of come to
in the post-modern age... it makes it impossible for me to
be confident most of the time... the only thing that can
redeem me is when i tap into something more spiritual and
collective... if a place gives off a comfortable vibe, and
i'm willing to acknowledge it... then i don't mind
expressing myself freely, and allowing my mistakes and flaws
to serve as shining examples of my humanity (or
something...)


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2004-05-16 00:26 [#01190336]
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Yes;

Not giving a shit what others think about me or the ways in
which I express myself gives me a high degree of
confidence.

Hence I say, accept yourself. Never let social "norms" or
corporate media dictate your lifestyle.



 

offline Refund from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-05-16 00:56 [#01190339]
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6 days a week I'm teh most confident guy you'll ever meet,
but one day a week I'm timid as all fuck, it's just a cycle
I go through.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-16 06:18 [#01190527]
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haha the more you know the less confident you
are...bullshit.

That is just an image that has came about because less
confident people tend to spend more time readind and stuff
because they only leave the house once in a while. Enhanced
knowledge is not the cause of lack of confidence but one of
the results.

PS. I am a confident person in case anyone couldn't tell.
I am also thick as pig shit, but I don't care. :P


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2004-05-16 06:32 [#01190537]
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the amount of confidence you have, has got more to do with
the way you were raised than with the amount of knowledge.
confident people are those who, under circumstances with
which they have no experience/knowledge, arent afraid to do
what they think (intuitively) is the right thing to do, even
when they know they probably have the wrong ideas.
that knowledge argument is for people who take socrates too
seriously (the more you know, the more you'll be aware of
the amount of things you dont know...that kind of reasoning
is the reasoning used to please the inconfident) ;d


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-16 06:33 [#01190539]
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I love you. Will you be my "gay net boyfriend"? Every
straight guy should have at least one.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2004-05-16 06:36 [#01190540]
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awww man
you silly hannibal you

*exchanges cigars*



 

offline uzim on 2004-05-16 06:48 [#01190553]
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no... i'm pretty shy and worried about all this stuff, like
what i am, what do people really think of me, what i should
do, etc...

i ask for advice for a lot of things too...

when i'm puzzled, like i'm not sure whether i see an
innuendo in what people say or not, i prefer to take it the
naive way...

i'm shy and often i don't dare inviting people, even people
i know well, i fear it would bother/annoy/bore them more
than anything... (as a result i don't go out with people
often at all and barely have any social life)

and see, even right now i'm talking to someone on msn and i
hope i'm not being "sticky" (don't know if you say this in
english)/annoying by talking to him so often...



maybe it's better to be not enough self-confident than too
much though...


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2004-05-16 06:51 [#01190557]
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no i don't.

i mostly think i annoy people with my presence.

i think quite little of my abilities as well.


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-05-16 06:51 [#01190558]
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it's also an ugly bit of self-pity, self-indulgence,
and egotism.

holy shit, my confidence must be low because of how
fucking insanely brilliant I am



 

offline 3051 from Vietnam on 2004-05-16 06:58 [#01190560]
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Yes. It lives in my thumb and it channels energy through
it.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-16 07:00 [#01190563]
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For all your nonsense posts, I tend to largely agree with
you when you post "seriously".

With regard to what gives you confidence. I suppose
conviction... If you don't believe/know much about what
you're talking about when public speaking, it's a lot harder
than if you vehemently believe it.

When dealing with other people, it's the knowledge (although
belief comes into it too, to a lesser extent) that you're
right. If someone is talking about a matter you're well
informed about (and I'm not talking subjects with vast
numbers of shades of grey, like ethics, philosophy or
religion, but something more precise like maths, computing,
physics, engineering) and the other person says something
which you know to be wrong, even a timid person can usually
bring themselves to "correct" the other person. Particularly
if there is proof to hand.

Part of the way I rationalise it is by asking myself what
can they do to me? If the other person has no power over
you, what is there to worry about? Risk comprises 3 parts:
Threat agent (the hostile party), a vulnerability and an
impact. If any of these are missing there's no risk. If
you're physically stronger and legally in the right, there's
little they can do to you.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2004-05-16 07:01 [#01190564]
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It has lots to do with your upbringing I guess.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2004-05-16 07:06 [#01190567]
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my problem is the infinite fear of being disliked, even if i
was right or better.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-16 07:08 [#01190569]
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I don't feel the need to be liked by the majority of people.
So long as my friends and family like me and the rest of the
world don't dislike me enough to drop a bomb on me I'm happy
:)


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2004-05-16 07:10 [#01190570]
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i do :( i think it's important to be nice to people, and if
someone dislikes me i instantly think it's due to me not
being nice. i know it's stupid.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-16 07:15 [#01190574]
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Certainly- I try to be nice to everyone. I almost never go
out of my way to be unpleasent to someone (and when I do, as
juvenile as it sounds, it's because they started it first).
I just try not to let it bother me if people don't act the
same way.


 

offline 3051 from Vietnam on 2004-05-16 07:18 [#01190575]
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ok now seriously.

Confidence depends on situation. For example, if it is 70C
or below zero, I do not feel confident.

It depends to what boundaries my confidence/lack of it
extends. Shyness, self-trust, esteem etc. has nothing to
do confidence (or with lack of it). It can be a factor that
contributes to it.

It is true that mind can create situation (imaginary or
real) that makes us feel confident or not. It is something
person should practice overcoming and it is something that
is possible to overcome by free will.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2004-05-16 07:18 [#01190577]
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what helped me with this fear is in the first please being
aware of the fact that that fear is (to a certain extent) a
part of everybody. and in the second place that people will
like you if you give them the impression you (honestly) like
them. in other words; you have to make people like you.



 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2004-05-16 07:19 [#01190579]
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o wait nevermind
you've already covered that part


 

offline 3051 from Vietnam on 2004-05-16 07:25 [#01190580]
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if someone dislikes me i instantly think it's due to me not

being nice. i know it's stupid.

It is stronger than you I believe. Stupid? I don't know.
Whether you are liked means a lot to you I guess. Know that
you cannot always be liked. Think about someone who likes
you or does not like you. How worth is their opinion and
does it change anything for you? If it does not imply much,
I suggest you ignore it.



 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-05-16 07:29 [#01190581]
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no confidence for me...


 

offline 3051 from Vietnam on 2004-05-16 07:40 [#01190587]
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no confidence for me...

Really? What is the temperature? I know that last summer
was terrible.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-05-16 07:42 [#01190590]
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always the same... :(


 

offline 3051 from Vietnam on 2004-05-16 07:43 [#01190591]
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I don't feel confident in such environment either. I know
how you feel.


 

offline Glitch from New Zealand on 2004-05-16 07:45 [#01190596]
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my confidence peaks somewhere around the 2nd-4th drink.. .
after that I start getting subsequently less and less
confident (:

confidence is an issue for me NOT because I want people to
like me (maybe specific people) but because I want people to
see the real me.. . too often it feels like "being
confident" is just me putting up some form of camoflage to
cover who I am.. . and Im not one to play those sorts of
games.. . however much the women may fall for it. ..


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2004-05-16 08:04 [#01190605]
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it depends.


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2004-05-16 08:25 [#01190619]
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I think this topic is really interesting.

I think for me, its wery situation based, as, when im with
friends, or total stranger (Male!) im actually quite
confident, because i dont care about their praise (an
example, singing, or playing music, or showing off some art
i did or stuff like that) i think i might seem like a
terribly arrogant person, and i wery seldomly think about
how my friends react to what i say or do. But women on the
other hand. This might be the biggest topic of my life! i
only recently learned how to deal with them, and to do it, i
had to really work against my own nature in a way. Im much
more timid around women for some reason, but recently ive
been trying to like "act" when im around women, to be a
confident guy, instead of just being it when around males
(the thing is, i care about women, not about male people
really... i dont feel like i need them, because i know i
have them you know!?!?)

In the old days i used to have really hight unrealistic
thoughts about women i liked, and it would always turn out
ugly with a rejection when i finally said something shyly to
them after wanting them for like 6 months. Now, i have the
approach to always go straight ahead and talk to someone
(women ofcourse) if i think they look nice (instead of
waiting for ages), that way i dont have these high thougts
about them, and now i can actually get women. I can be more
relaxed around them. I reccomend it to all you shy guys.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2004-05-16 08:30 [#01190624]
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it's differrent arround men and women.
i want (some)women to want to fuck me, so being arround
these parrticularr women alterrs my behaviourr. i'm no less
confident arround them just slightly morre self-conscious
about how i look and act... because how i look and act
matterrs in that situation.
big fucking deal, that's called rreal life.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2004-05-16 08:32 [#01190626]
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in the same way that i'm morre self-conscious
about what i say and how i come acrross in a job interrview,
forr example. it matterrs that i don't swearr and say the
wrrong thing. just like it matterrs that i don't look like a
prrick arround a woman who i want to find me attrractive.


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2004-05-16 08:44 [#01190629]
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Yeah, i know what youre saying, but for me, women are almost
like mythological. Women who are ugly, im wery confident
around them. But if im in love with someone i turn into this
idiot. I have an almost religious feeling about these women.



 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2004-05-16 08:59 [#01190638]
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confidence for me is very tied in with understanding. if i
feel like i can share a 'level' with someone then its
generally promised that we will get along.

sexual confidence is a different thing again. im no longer a
subscriber to the idea that intoxication heightens that ..
coherency is much more attractive ;)



 

offline faaip_de_oiad from Sirius (United States) on 2004-05-16 10:19 [#01190686]
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Yes, I'm very confident. I know that I'm on a higher level
than most of the people I come in contact with. I find
comfort in the fact that my intelligence and ability for
greater understanding is rarely matched, let alone topped.
Most people would call this being cocky, but it's not. I
don't need to be cocky, because I already know where my
place is. And when it comes to attracting females, there's
nothing sexier to a woman than a man with confidence. But if
you have the confidence plus good looks, it's almost too
easy. And that's the truth. Just like on Friday night, I was
at the bar and in no time I had attracted a hot female. The
only problem was she was with her douce bag boyfriend. I of
course didn't care, but logically she didn't want him to see
anything going on. But I still managed to set things up so
we could hook up later this week. There's nothing better
than seducing women who already have a boyfriend. It
provides more of a challenge, and reminds you again of where
your place is at. But also while I was in the process of
attracting her, another girl who was impressed with what I
had done, came on to me as well. Then it's all down hill
from there. Once other girls see your methods working on
another girl, you won't be able to beat them off with a
stick. Anyways, I ended going to an after party with the one
chick and her boyfriend. Knowing that we couldn't get
together, on the count she didn't want her boyfriend to
suspect anything, I just gave her my number and we set up a
date for later this week. After that, I just went and hooked
up with the other chick, and you can figure out the rest of
the story. It's always best to have a back up plan in
situations like this. So I guess what I'm trying to say is,
my confidence comes from the fact that I know I have the
knowledge and skills to get what I want and I know how to
use them to achieve my goals. Being confident gives you
leverage, and leverage is everything.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2004-05-16 10:35 [#01190690]
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I have no confidence, I never go out, basiclly always stay
at home, if i dont have to leave the house, I dont talk much
with my co workers either, nor do I have any firends.....im
scared of lots of things......


 

offline Free your mind from UmeÃ¥ (Sweden) on 2004-05-16 10:41 [#01190696]
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Hate confident people who really have nothing to be
confident about...


 

offline Glitch from New Zealand on 2004-05-16 10:48 [#01190705]
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ehehe.. . thus my reasons become clearer (; nah but
seriously. ..


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-05-16 10:50 [#01190706]
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all confidence has an element of lying. No one is or can be
completely flawless with anything--there is a constant
struggle between suspending disbelief and being self
critical


 


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