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That I feel that I cannot trust any news I read. -I don't trust the government. I feel they are telling lies. -I can't trust the media, for obvious reasons, which I don't think I even need to get into. -I can't rely on the internet, because while bringing lots of good points up, it is just full of conspiracy theories (some that seem possible, and some that don't) I just feel completely in the dark. There is a war going on, affecting pretty much the whole world... and I don't even know what the fuck is going on. wtf? |
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Mother, should I run for president? Mother, should I trust the government? Mother, will they put me in the firing line? Ooooowaa is it just a waste of time? |
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Did Rog's mother ever answer him, then? |
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better ask to meet someone who knows. |
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You are taking stuff that doesn't concern your day to day life too seriously. Why do you care who lies to you? Who cares about this 'war'? They messed up...and shit will get back to normal eventually...these things are what makes us human, it has always happened and always will. |
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Limbering up to be a CNN newsreader I see, Lee... good job. |
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it does affect me. it affects my entire outlook on life. am I to believe that these terrorists are complete psycho animals who want to destroy us, therefor its justified for what the country is doing, like spending billions on this war, when perhaps its all just based on a grudge the current US admin has, or wants more money, etc. it does affect us. no, not in a blatent "theres a terrorist at your front door, its now affecting you" kind of way... but it sure as hell affects me. things are deeper then the immediately noticeable. |
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, though the site doesn't quite work as good as I thought it might. Different information sources have different reputations obviously. If you go back in history to read, there's little immediate need to politically distort truth. Um, now the most powerful information sources are large learned varied groups like slashdot. |
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If you beleive the 'terrorists' are just psycho animals then the media has already had it's effect on you. They aren't terrorists...they are the opposing army in the war the US started. Both sides aren't respecting the Geneva convention rules of engagement, both sides are fighting a dirty war...just because they are muslim and fighting back doesn't make them terrorists. |
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Allah 0WNZ YHVH (even though they're the same!) |
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i know, but my point is, the media DOES try to make us think that. so many conflicting accounts. |
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Your media does, yes. But if you don't beleive them then where is your problem? |
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At least you have access to media sources to make your own mind up. Think how the people in previous wars have felt having no information at all other than directly fed government propaganda? |
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who should I beleive? There is a limit to what you can feel, and what is fact. I want to know the fucking facts. Where do I get it? Not on tv. Not online. Not from the government. Not from the "terrorists" i dont trust anyone right now, and I have no reason to |
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true. |
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It's funny that you seem to need a source to rely on. That's a bad way to live your life. You take all the information available and come up with your own answers. Whether you are right or not people will always disagree on, but at least you are being true to your own beleifs. |
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i know it's definately a point of contention, but i'd definately draw a distinction between the two different sides in this "war". one side makes it's targets known, more or less lets them know when they are going to attack, and tries to only target the people who are directly trying to kill them. the other tries very hard to keep it's targets hidden, attacks with no warning if at all possible, and directly, purposfully attacks civilians. not at all the same. i'd say one is terrorism the other is not. civilian deaths on our part are unwanted, and i do believe that we try hard to avoid them. while it's very arguable, and i'm sure i'll get plenty of arguments, i think if we could completely avoid civilian casualties, and still accomplish our military goals we would. conversely i believe the other side would kill as many civilians as they possibly could. to equate the two isn't accurate or fair in my opinion. |
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example: the berg beheading video. is it real? is it fake? was it terrorists, or was it the US govt spreading propaganda? its not something that should be a matter of speculation. I want to know what fucking happened. If its the terrorists, then I need to make up my mind on why they did it. If its the US govt, I need to think WTF is my government doing this shit for? Something happened. Its either real, or staged. Its not a matter of belief. Someone has the real answer, and I dont like being dicked around |
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One side makes it's targets known The muslim opposition forces have said everyone involved in the illegal occupation of their country is the target, which is fair enough as far as I am concerned. the other tries very hard to keep it's targets hidden, attacks with no warning if at all possible, and directly, purposfully attacks civilians. That's rubbish. None of the uprising Iraqi people have been linked with external civilian terrorist activity during this conflict. |
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Zeus - bbc.co.uk |
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The video is real. They found the decapitated body. The cause of his death, I firmly beleive, is a direct result of the actions of US solidiers in the Iraqi prison. Let's not forget that not everyone in prison is a terrorist, there is a large number who where fighting against what they beleive is an illegal occupation of their home land. |
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deceit in an evolved political strategy, culturally or biologically such as when certain insects fake mating related chemicals of other species only to eat the lured wandering males. it's the nature of brains to be able to trick them with information. |
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I dont doubt it was really berg. But there is plenty of things that raise suspision on who did it. was he dead before hand? is it really who they say it is? isnt it perfect timing? would the iraqis really do something like this to look so bad, when they have the US in a compromising position? Dont get me wrong, I know berg is really dead, and he was beheaded.... but by who? It doesnt add up. |
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i think there's a couple different groups in iraq fighting us. i think there is the legitimate iraqi resistance, which i wouldn't say were terrorists, and there are al qaeda related folks. i'd guess that the people who killed nick berg weren't iraqi resistance fighters. they were terrorists who moved in after we destabilized the place, and are taking advantage of it. i doubt they give two shits about the people of iraq. |
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i think they would've cut off his head regardless of the prisoner abuse. they would've just used a different excuse. |
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Yes, but the US brought all of this on themselves...even the hatred al queda hold towards them. |
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btw i fucking hate using terms like 'terrorists' and 'al qaeda', i just use them cause i don't know of better terms. i think they're both just tools of rhetoric, and are so fucking broad that they basically describe nothing. |
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agreed |
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see, i kinda disagree with that. i think they created, and follow a bastardized version of islaam that doesn't allow them to coexist with any other religions. they'd be killing us no matter what we do. we move out of saudi arabia, create hydrogen powered cars, leave the middle east, become isolationists, it doesn't matter. there's no doubt in my mind that bush's arrogance has fueled the flames, but they tried to take down the wtc long before cowboy dubya took the helm, and they'll still be after us when he's gone. it's an ideological difference that doesn't have a whole lot to do with our actions. at least that's my current thinking. i could very well be quite wrong though. |
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Possibly...but there is possibly more to Nick Berg than meets the eye, and there is a chance that he wasn't a random abduction. |
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agreed |
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Then why is the US the only real target they have? There are plenty more non islamic countries they could target. The fact is that the US have, and continue to have a very negative attitude towards Muslims, demonstated by their complete bias in the Isreali/Pallistinian situation. You reap what you sow. |
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its not bushes fault that this all started. hes just an idiot at the helm, and has steered us in the wrong direction ever since. it probably has alot to do with the US tightening its grip around the world, globalization, and israel... to name a few things. some religion, some politics. |
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Bush is as much a religious extremist as the people he is attempting to fight. |
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because we're the bigest and most visible example of christian capitalism. going after us gives them legitimacy and draws a lot of attention and support for their cause. if they're able to run us financially into the ground and we fall, they'll be going for europe next. |
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yes he is. hes called the war on terror, a crusade, and declared war on iraq, from a church. he is just as bad. and an idiot. |
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this is exactly why dogmatic religion is dangerous and bad. |
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You are saying they are anti christian then, which isn't the same as anti anything that's not Muslim. It is not just a religious thing, it goes back to the US treatment of muslim nations during the cold war. The whole reason al queda was set up in the first place. |
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i'm saying they are anti-any_religion_thats_not_their's even more moderate versions of islaam. |
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godammit, why do i keep spelling islam with two As? |
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I respect "terrorism" (or getting what you want with force I suppose) as a political strategy provided it's only used as a last resort for a revolution of an ethically superior/better/necessary nature. I don't know what's at the heart of this war... oil? That translates indirectly to gold I suppose since countries want the oil to sell? Or it's because oil is a disappearing scarce resource on earth? If it's about oil, whichever markets are responsible for selling oil must have a major role in the war. Or it really is about "terrorism" and the us is just retaliating as a group over that WTC attack. It's probably just a small handful of greedy individuals that are responsible for the whole thing. How much money does one need? What is there to buy, expensive houses and cars? They aren't worth taking the effort to be so greedy. There's probably lots of humble mostly innocent people on both "sides" that don't want any part in politics aside from obtaining their daily bread shelter and entertainment of some sort. Eh, I don't understand it and am just typing because I'm bored. |
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Then why have they got no problems with China and Japan... They live their lives to extremist interpretations of the qu'ran, but they have never stated they are against every religion. The even formally stated that they only have a problem with the US and if all non US partners in this war would withdraw they would have no problems with them. |
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of course they said that. they want other nations to let them go about their business until they are done fucking us up. but, i think once they are done destroying america they'll move onto another target. probably europe. then they'll move on do some of the eastern countries probably. they won't have to worry about israel, because after taking down the us israel doesn't have a fucking chance. they've already got groups in southeast asia that are fighting the governments there. it just doesn't get as much attention/support as fighting us so they aren't designating as much effort there yet. |
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I guess it comes down to: which side/system in the conflict has produced the worst way of life for the average person? This is the side that should be stopped from taking over and spreading if possible. |
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humanity is the problem. next time you hop an interstellar frigate back to poshnu can i be a stowaway? |
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You can ride shotgun. (literally). |
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Some people have just made war their entertaining hobby perhaps. |
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hot damn! YES ! *packs bags* n00die mags - check toothbrush - check flip flops - check lifetime supply of maddog 20/20 - check |
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the best way of life at the expense of whom though. |
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most definately. war is the world's favorite passtime. as soon as the second person showed up on earth they probably spent 1/4 of their day eating, 1/4 sleeping, 1/4 fucking, and the last bit fighting. |
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