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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2004-05-13 12:29 [#01186541]
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I searched around for the video but I couldn't find it. I question it's authenticity, the photos are too grainy to reference the kneeling victim's facial features against the clearer "gym" photo of the victim. Remember, they lied about the weapons. In an attempt to deflect attention on the treatment of Iraqi prisoners in American hands, a quick and easy solution is a staged killing.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-13 12:32 [#01186553]
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here
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2004-05-13 12:33 [#01186556]
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only in mehiiecoo
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-13 12:41 [#01186570]
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sorry wrong thread
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billcosbydance
on 2004-05-13 12:51 [#01186582]
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..just because he was american it gets world-wide media coverage fuck all of you...think of how many iraqi children are killed.. 100 iraqi lives are worth one american its bollocks
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 12:57 [#01186586]
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That's rubbish... its the fact that he was BEHEADED on VIDEO. Its not exactly on the same scale. And Jesus you don't think Iraqi persecution gets world-wide media coverage? Look at the papers you goon the photos have been on the front pages for ages.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-05-13 14:25 [#01186740]
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billcosbydance,
Uhh, no one is compairing this death to the multiple other killings.
There aren't tapes of brutal murders of children.
Sheesh, what the fuck man. Stop making accusations and stirring up NONSENSE.
bryce,
I seriously doubt that this is fake. And I don't think a video like this is no conspiracy.
I could be wrong, but just no need for it..... sigh :(
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 14:34 [#01186757]
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so... where's the video and who got beheaded for what?
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 14:39 [#01186768]
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It is available at ogrish.com... be careful tho man, its not something you can forget easily. I wouldn't recommend you watch it to be honest.
He was an American captured in Iraq, killed in response to the torture pictures.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2004-05-13 14:49 [#01186782]
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Why do you hate AMERICA ?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 14:50 [#01186783]
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I hate people.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-13 14:55 [#01186795]
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I gave in and listened to the audio... for about 10 seconds. Can't watch it. More power to those who can, though.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2004-05-13 15:02 [#01186805]
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Having something filmed doesn't make it any worse, really. Lots of people are beheaded, all the time - it's a common form of killing a person.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 15:05 [#01186810]
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I reckon it makes it worse - the fact that they recorded it for his friends and family to see makes it seem so much more cold-hearted to me. But yeah of course the actual act is still just as bad.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 15:05 [#01186814]
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I can't make a "wmv" work, predictably. I guess I won't take the necessary year and a half to troubleshoot it.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2004-05-13 15:07 [#01186818]
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the USA televise car chases and people being killed by the police.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 15:15 [#01186827]
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Meh... to be fair the police don't kill innocent people for no reason, they only kill when it is neccessary and mostly don't shoot to kill. its hardly comparible. Well okay I'm sure some arnarchic-type will dispute that...
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Loogie
from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-13 17:27 [#01186999]
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i wouldn't watch it. the fact that it is real and that it was cold blooded sends shivers down my spine. i've seen footage of gunships taking out troops with 20mm which wasn't nice but it was in the heat of battle.
there was another video going round at my work recently of a cold blooded beheading of someone in chechnya. everyone was watching it with morbid curiosity, some were laughing. i had to concentrate not to see it it was on so many peoples screens. i could do without these images in my head, they would haunt me forever
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-13 17:33 [#01187008]
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But as "Police Camera Action" and "Worlds Wildest Police Chases" show, the criminal is always guilty and they crash with hilarious consequences or at least get a volley of rubber bullets to the face! John Bunnel = The Man :D
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-05-13 18:27 [#01187091]
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paul, you make it sound like every day on the 5 o'clock news we gather round to watch the day's taped killings.
what exactly are you talking about?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-05-13 18:30 [#01187096]
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"to be fair the police don't kill innocent people for no reason"
oh my, I would watch it with taking that as taken!
and I'm not just talking about American police, but any police force really.
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2004-05-13 20:19 [#01187158]
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i remember watching the news a few years ago, they were showing this guy who was shooting at people on the freeway. live tv. then he set his truck on fire, got naked, went over to the side of the freeway, and blew his brains out the back of his head with a rifle. live.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-13 20:23 [#01187159]
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Happens all the time though. Just a couple months here, a guy reached down to unbuckle his seatbelt and was shot to death by the police. Of course it turned into a racial issue, white cops, black guy.
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tlink
from sofla (United States) on 2004-05-13 20:25 [#01187161]
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http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/000449.html
"HERE IS THE ENEMY" by the Sandwichman
This has come up in the comments section of MaxSpeak that is also mentioned in comments on Atrios and Whiskey Bar. As the implications are potentially extremely serious, I think it merits greater exposure even though the connections are, as far as I know, only circumstantial.
On March 7, 2004 an "enemies list" composed of signatories to an anti-war petition was posted on the Free Republic website. The introductory and subsequent comments on that list suggest that the purpose of the posting was to encourage people to harrass the individuals on the list and to circulate their names to agencies and individuals that might take action against them.
Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg was on that list and he named Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc. as an affiliation. According to his family on March 24, 2004 -- approximately two weeks after publication of the enemies list on the Free Republic website -- Nick Berg was detained by Iraqi police who handed him over to US forces, he was then held until April 6 when he was released, the day after his family had filed a lawsuit in Philadelphia federal court. Nick Berg was not heard from again after April 9.
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