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Mmm... empty part of the dessert... |
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Everyone can kill. I'd like to think I couldn't, but I definitely could. It would take an immense amount of outside influence/pressure to make me do it, though. I'd have to be forced at gunpoint to, uh... pull the trigger. There's no way I'd ever join the army or go to war or anything. I'd sooner lay down and let someone smash my tibia and fibula with a sledgehammer then go kill people. |
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killing is caring |
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sometimes it is... sometimes it is... |
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Basically I am right. Or do you only eat apples then? I thought I made myself clear when I said vegatables. They do tend to get ripped out of the ground you know. |
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I don't think most vegetarians grow their own food anyway---->commercialisation of the vegetarian life-style that leads to the rise of an industry which by default harms the environment with pesticides and mutated products etc etc. About what you said: People like them use the argument that plants have no neural system therefore they are feeling no pain. Of course that argument is arbitrary. My main argument is that their whole way of life ,being a tendency that emerged through the western civilisation, is dependent on the suffering of the third world people ,for example, because the west depends on that in order to thrive. They are causing the deaths of others even if they are not aware of it. |
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i think, with enough pressure, everyone can kill. |
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self-defense. protecting people I love. I'd NEVER kill by orders.. if I HAD to kill, it should be at my own initiative, 'cause in such cases, I'd only trust my own judgement. Revenge can be had without killing. By what means: Whatever would be available at the time of danger. |
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Fruit is meant to be eaten, to propogate the seed. |
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i cut off a man's penis once |
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And beat a pigeon to death with it. |
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were you a woman in tokyo at the time? |
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what's the point telling if you guys already know all the details? |
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edutainment. |
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I don't think I'd be able to kill anyone... the only scenario I could imagine would be if someone raped or murdered someone VERY close to me... like an immediate family member, or kid or something... and I probably wouldn't be able to then... |
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i was a woman in tokyo at the time i beat a pigeon to death with the penis then i had i had lunch |
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"People like them use the argument that plants have no neural system therefore they are feeling no pain. Of course that argument is arbitrary." > oh dear... -_- i'm also killing air right now since i'm breathing it. JAroen > nice avatar! |
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haha yes im pretty proud of it, thanks |
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There's a conflict in every human heart between the rational, the irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. Every man has a breaking point and I've reached mine mofos!!! |
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You are not killing air... you are killing thousands upon thousands of microorganisms that are transported through air to your body. |
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My main argument is that their whole way of life ,being a tendency that emerged through the western civilisation, is dependent on the suffering of the third world people ,for example, because the west depends on that in order to thrive. They are causing the deaths of others even if they are not aware of it. I don't really get what you are writing here... Comercialism has NOTHING to do with the vegetarian diet - ther e is nothing about the diet that states that it has to be commercialized. Also it's a difference between a cooked food vegetarian diet and a raw-food vegetarian diet (like the one I eat). I eat mostly organic food - in fact I would eat 100% organic food if I could afford it (and if it was available). I really do care about the environment but on my tight budget (being a student) I can't afford 100% organic food, sadly. reply to X-tomatic: Basically I am right. Or do you only eat apples then? I thought I made myself clear when I said vegatables. They do tend to get ripped out of the ground you know. Yeah ok I missed that you said vegetables. But are you claiming that vegetables are able to feel the same kind of pain as e.g. a human? I know plants are able to be afraid and feel things, but I still think it's different. I mean do you feel equal about taking a bite off a saladhead and e.g. a human head? And do bouth organisms feel the same pain? Because if not, one choice is better than the other I think (ethically, or whatever) if one has to eat either of it. I myself am a rawfoodist (because I feel more safe being a rawfoodist than a fruitarian) - but perhaps I will become a fruitarian myself one day (I even know a frutarian [girl]). If one has to kill to eat - why not kill/cause pain in the smallest possible amount? I became a rawfoodist/vegetarian because of bouth health and ethical reasons... And I personally feel more natural "killing" vegetables than killing animals. |
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i don't think so...maybe i could drop a bomb from an airplane or something else that wouldn't require seeing people. and i'd do that only if it would mean that it would save my life. |
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I couldent consiously kill someone, but someon may make me mad enough one day that I just go to far without noticing. Temporary madness like It would have to be something real bad to get me that mad though |
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"Hello, I am from the International Cheese Protection Agency, you have fulfilled your quota for life and are now banned from eating any more cheese products" or... "Hi, this is Scott Kurtz. I'm afraid I had to kill off Skull as he was a big fat annoying git." |
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There is a motherfucker whom I want to kill, he deserves being killed. But he's lucky I haven't seen his greasy mug for a long time. And so am I:) |
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You assume that animals that are being processed to become food for humans are killed in an inhumane and brutal way. It is possible they feel nothing (for example the workers shove big nails through a cows spine killing it instantly and with no pain). Of course it could be the opposite but how the fuck would you know huh? Can you compare the hypothetical pain that a vegetable feels (however ridiculous that sounds) to the painless extermination of an animal. Even if the animal felt pain and was tortured during it's slaughter how the fuck could you know what a vegetable "feels". True- neither can I but my point is that you vegetarians are hypocritical self righteous cunts (there are people who are just disgusted by meat-they are ok with me). Nothing is solid against the vegetarian ideal but I have a grudge with most the vegeterians. Where the fuck is the difference if one kills one thousand or one million living things? Your whole lifestyle dictates that vegeterianism is your way to feel comfortable with yourself and it is based on deluding yourself. You choose to ignore the fact that even if you care for the planet you still use a computer, you live in a city and follow the western way of life. You are sitting in your couch typing on your laptop living your bohemian dreams of butterflies and bunnies and kittens and little sheep, while others are dying in the middle east(mostly workers in distilleries and arab civilians/lets not forget the western influence on politics there) so that people like you and me will get their plastic junk etc. The difference is that I do not lie to myself and I admit that I am a murderer de facto-from the day I was born, even if I don't do it with my own hands. If you decided to go live on your own in the wilderness and eat roots and shit like that, you wouldn't be such a fucking pussy. Oh I forgot vegetables lack many key nutrients like bitamine B12 and they are linked to some forms of cancer or the Plummer-Vincent syndrome. And theoreticaly the whole vegan and vegeterian concept |
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is kinda dodgy(where do you draw the line for killing for example?). |
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Anyone who works in a private business of any kind is responsible for murder. anyone who has ever voted for the government is responsible for murder. |
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I could kill, or at least seriously mutilate someone if that person did something horrid (rape, torture, you name it) to my family, friends or my girlfriend. Shit like that would make me angry to no end and it would give me the most satisfaction to just beat the person responsible to death |
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reply 1/2 You assume that animals that are being processed to become food for humans are killed in an inhumane and brutal way. It is possible they feel nothing (for example the workers shove big nails through a cows spine killing it instantly and with no pain). Of course it could be the opposite but how the fuck would you know huh? I know. Animals are tortured since the first day they are born when not born in the free, and they are certainly not killed in a non-brutal, non-painful way. In a way it's a relief for them, but that's certainly not an excuse to keep the system going. I also know that mammals are more similar to eachother than e.g. a mammal is to a plant, and eventhough I am not sure that plants live happy lives (and I am sure they don't, when they are getting pollution on them) I am sure that animals don't. True- neither can I but my point is that you vegetarians are hypocritical self righteous cunts You really make this an intelligent and open discussion. Where the fuck is the difference if one kills one thousand or one million living things? It depends on if you think that it's possible to value life (being alive). The difference is if you kill e.g. one million people: 999 000 more people die, and that is not a small number. Ending someone's or something's life is destroying something (in my opinion) invalueable. And two lives must be (objectivly but not subjectively) worth more than one life... Your whole lifestyle dictates that vegeterianism is your way to feel comfortable with yourself and it is based on deluding yourself. Yes I am a vegetarian because I am comfortable with it (why else would I be a vegetarian?), but I am in now way deluding myself. You clearly don't know me, nor do you understand that people are individuals and that a diet is "only" a diet. A diet is only about what people decide eat / not eat. Even you eat a diet, perhaps not restricted in any way, and perhaps not even healthy, but it's still a diet. |
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reply 2/3 You choose to ignore the fact that even if you care for the planet you still use a computer, you live in a city and follow the western way of life. You are sitting in your couch typing on your laptop living your bohemian dreams of butterflies and bunnies and kittens and little sheep, while others are dying in the middle east(mostly workers in distilleries and arab civilians/lets not forget the western influence on politics there) so that people like you and me will get their plastic junk etc. What has this got to do with a vegetarian DIET? You're clearly discussing something else here. The difference is that I do not lie to myself and I admit that I am a murderer de facto-from the day I was born, even if I don't do it with my own hands. If you decided to go live on your own in the wilderness and eat roots and shit like that, you wouldn't be such a fucking pussy. I have already told you, I am a rawfoodist. I try to live my life as peaceful as possible, and culturally creative (not destructive) as possible. If I ever get enough money I will move to the countryside and grow as much as I can of my own fruit and vegetables. Oh I forgot vegetables lack many key nutrients like bitamine B12 and they are linked to some forms of cancer or the Plummer-Vincent syndrome. I did quite a lot of reading on nutrition when I first began caring about my diet. The vitamin B12-issue is not yet resolved (sadly), and the case is different from different people [also, not just vegetarians get B12-deficiency]. There are no vegetables that in their natural form cause cancer (that I know of), cancer is something one gets from an unhealthy/unnatural lifestyle. Eating cooked food, on the other hand, and meat causes cancer (and there is scientific proof of that). |
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reply 3/3 And theoreticaly the whole vegan and vegeterian concept is kinda dodgy(where do you draw the line for killing for example?). For the last time: A vegetarian diet does not imply a reason for being a vegetarian. I am a vegetarian personally because of health advantages and ethtical reasons. It's just a definition of a diet where you exclude certain sources of nutrition; such as meat and milk products. |
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ha ha!! yeah sure, you're being really honest to yourself. so I guess you hunt down your the animal who you want to eat and slaughter it yourself? just because you admit to yourself that what you are doing is possibly not the best thing to do, does not mean it's alright to do it then. |
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"What has this got to do with a vegetarian DIET? You're clearly discussing something else here." You prove that you totally missed the point. Well you actually prove my point that you vegies have your heads up your asses. qrter--->"just because you admit to yourself that what you are doing is possibly not the best thing to do" You're totally wrong. I said that being a vegeterian doesn't make a fucking difference. It's just some people's consciences ticket out of guilt. I have no guilt for anything since I'm fully aware of what I am doing and I am fully aware of the fact that it is totally inevitable. |
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if it is "inevitable", you cannot have responsibility - in other words, no guilt possible. sounds like you're just as much deluding yourself and ticketing your consience out of guilt, then. but I don't see much point in discussing with you anyway, seeing the aggresive stance you're taking and the ridiculous generalisations you're making. you don't want a discussion, you just want to rant. have fun. |
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Yes, if some man was trying to rape me. I would fight and struggle and of course he would knock me down, and bring out his gun to try to scare me cause im wiggling like a snake to get this fucker off me. So, I calm down because I dont want to get shot. He sees that I'm calm, he puts his guard down a bit... I grab his gun stare at him, tell him if I could I would blow his fucking brains out. I tell him to lay down, he does so because he can tell in my eyes that I'm ready to KILL! Then so I can go on my way, and I know this guy is not gonna rape anymore girl. I shoot him in his limp dick. BAM! |
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No the thing in question was not guilt. I don't feel guilt. It is a stupid thing to feel-a mindfuck. Guilt is a social device-a way to tame people and inevitably a thing keeping one away from knowledge. There is nothing wrong with being a hypocrite. But if one does that without realising it one is stupid or deluded. There is nothing wrong with being deluded. I personally hate it and hate people that do it. I try to get rid of all the lies I tell my self without me knowing even if I don't know when I'm lying to myself. It is an easy excuse when someone leaves a conversation when the other party has an aggressive stance. You are a coward and it is your right to be one. I have arguments... I guess you prefer to overlook that small detail. And what the fuck does the word generalisation mean? It is impossible not to generalise in a conversation. There always people who are different to a characterisation but I think it's pretty fucking obvious they have nothing to do with a discussion because they have nothing to do with the topic. |
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christ you people in the ussr must be bored as fuck |
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right, I'm a coward! good work on "not deluding yourself"! ha ha! :D |
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are you running for thoughest poster doomed muppet? |
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I see no argument in that. Ahhh yes... you CHOSE not to write anything. |
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We are busy eating each other. |
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really i see no sign of that |
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that av is tripping me out |
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"But are you claiming that vegetables are able to feel the same kind of pain as e.g. a human? I know plants are able to be afraid and feel things, but I still think it's different." I was simply explaining that even when eating vegetables you are killing. Meat eating as it is today and the ruthless exploitation of innocent and defenseless creatures by the 1000000 billions is by far the most atrocious crime of mankind and is drenching the world further into misery and ignorance. |
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only the social and legal contraints stop me from killing |
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lots of words and letters |
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i would think the majority of humans could kill under the right circumstances. jonesy mentioned the struggle between the rational and irrational, the good and evil, and think that has a lot to do with it. we all have a trigger, i think. the thing that honestly scares me is when i ask myself these questions and really try to detach and objectively look inside and what i see is the fragility of it all. i could imagine a scenario where a few specific events might happen to trigger my 'turn to the darkside' for utter lack of a better description. i don't think i have any real moral foundation, just the idea of the golden rule and also fear of the consequences of some actions. kinda sad to say, i guess.. |
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vulgarities! vulgarities! |
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You guys kill me. |
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