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Are we selling ourselves short by uploading our music??
 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-04 19:04 [#01173502]
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Wieghing up the pros & cons of uploading your music to the
net....

Personaly I don't upload any of the stuff I have made unless
it's not going any where (I usualy give it a 4-6 month
evaluation period to make sure I'm definatly not going to
continue with the track) or if it's a fun track that I have
made as a piss about. The main reason I don't upload is
because I am quite possessive about my tunes (my babies) &
the other thing is that I really don't see the point in
uploading my tracks & feel that it could be more of a bad
thing than a good thing as far as my future as an artist is
concerned.

What is everyones view on uploading?..... I know some of us
just do it for fun where as others take it very seriously &
put alot of effort into it (I know I do) so the question
is... are we selling ourselves short by uploading our music?


 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-04 19:10 [#01173511]
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sorry, that should have read...

"What is everyones view on uploading?..... I know some of us

just make music for fun where as others........."


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-04 19:13 [#01173514]
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Selling yourself short, do you sell anything at all i
wonder? The delusions of grandeur on this board can be
staggering. Face it, if anyone were an artist of any merit
and not just 'MP3 boy' they WOULD NOT BE ON THIS BOARD.


 

offline wimp on 2004-05-04 19:13 [#01173515]
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I upload stuff for feedback. I want to make music a career
some day soon, and I view uploading it onto the internet as
a sort of testing ground. As fieldwork.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-05-04 19:14 [#01173517]
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i think the best way to get my music heard is to upload it
then tell everyone i know to download it.

i've pretty much accepted the fact that nobody is going to
pay me to listen to it anyway. so i'm just interested in
getting heard.
of course if one of you wants to pay me for my tracks, i
accept paypal and cashier's checks.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-05-04 19:17 [#01173520]
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I MADE THIS CAKE

TELL ME THAT I'M AN ARTIST THAT I'M SPECIAL

but I didn't make the cake and it may be poisoned


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2004-05-04 19:18 [#01173521]
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i used to do it all the time i am going to do it less in the
future.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-05-04 19:20 [#01173522]
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In the event that I get good.. I'll probably upload my stuff
more than I already do. I need the praise because my
self-esteem is in such bad shape.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-04 19:21 [#01173523]
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haha, you have no idea how stupidely wrong your comment is.
There are a number of long standing label artists who post
on this board.

There is nothing wrong with having a dream, and beleive it
or not some people who do/have posted here have gone on to
get label releases from being a humble 'MP3 boys' as you so
ineliquently termed it.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-05-04 19:21 [#01173524]
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yeh thats what i'm talking about.
right now money would be good but ego stroking will have to
suffice.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-04 19:23 [#01173525]
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Personally I know what I make is shite. I have never even
finished a track, I just like experimenting and will
continue to do so. I don't want a career in music, I just
enjoy my hobby and have no problem with asking for peoples
opinions on what I do.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-05-04 19:24 [#01173527]
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your shit ain't shite


 

offline wimp on 2004-05-04 19:26 [#01173529]
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The real question is: Are we selling ourselves tall?


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-05-04 19:27 [#01173531]
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are we buying ourselves fat?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-04 19:27 [#01173532]
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Well it is compared to

a) other people quality of output.

b) the way it sounds in my head.

I am still learning, and finding out new things. I have
only been making music for a year and I have learnt a lot in
that time. I just see it is a hobbyist challenge.


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2004-05-04 19:29 [#01173534]
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You are one of the people who's stuff i dig and considering
how fussy i am that is good!


 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-04 19:30 [#01173535]
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hmmm.... I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying.


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2004-05-04 19:33 [#01173540]
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I think that ultimately there is nothing wrong with posting
a few tracks up on the net. I have become quite protective
over my stuff recently so i am not going to put so much up
anymore.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-05-04 19:33 [#01173541]
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We need more Simon Cowells on this board and not so many
Paula Abduls.


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2004-05-04 19:35 [#01173543]
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That in a certain sense is true, i always try to give honest
opinions but i think i am going to become alot more honest
in the future.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-05-04 19:39 [#01173546]
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Often it seems like people are exchanging strokes - which is
not unusual given that this is mostly a socializing kind of
place, and you wouldn't expect people to savage each other.


You know what one of my favorite tracks is ever from this
board, is where did you run off to by cowboy sugarcakes
(oddioblender(gus)).


 

offline od_step_cloak from Pleth (Australia) on 2004-05-04 19:47 [#01173549]
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Personally: Uploading tracks and having other mp3kids (yeah
I consider us mp3kids because we upload mp3s primarily I
believe... I could be wrong) listen to them is like home to
me.
I'm used to it: I never send demos and I don't really bother
with labels very much, except lately with mp3 labels because
for me they are the best of both worlds (being able to do
"just the music" as opposed to having to do the
extracurricular bullshit like making covers, mailling CDs,
negoaiating deadlines etc).
I think the chances are than no matter how good I get
(ehhhhh hopefully I'll get good at some stage anyway) I'll
still be posting bits and pieces on online messageboard
because shit, you don't ignore your past and you guys will
have been the ones who did it for me.

Like: What I see more... honour? In making it through word
of mouth than having to suck up to labes to get a foot in
the door.

If this never happens and I'm stuck here as an mp3kid
forever I doubt I'll care because I'm hapy where I am.

As long as people on the net kee listening ot my tracks and
sending e the occasional nice email about them then fuck the
real world and their videoclips and record contracts, I'm
happy with this.

But for now, I try not to take it too seriously, at the end
of the day it's just another hobby I have, I'll nevermake a
living out of it and I'm happy with it just being a
timewaster for a few hours after work during the week.

I hope this doesn't come across as conceited or anything :\


 

offline big from lsg on 2004-05-04 19:51 [#01173551]
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i believe he's trying to say you're wrong, d_b


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-05-04 19:52 [#01173552]
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no


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-05-04 19:54 [#01173554]
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as in "no that doesn't come across as conceited to me"


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-05-04 19:58 [#01173556]
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Ooooohhh. Ownage. Oh Double Yu En-age.


 

offline big from lsg on 2004-05-04 19:59 [#01173558]
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i dont believe that track's up anymore :(


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-05-04 20:00 [#01173559]
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i'll read this thread if you read mine.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-05-04 20:07 [#01173566]
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Hey, bug him about it next time he's online. It's a good
track - lo fi cinematic kinda thing, lots of character.


 

offline sneakattack on 2004-05-04 21:30 [#01173601]
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Different things are gained from both free redistribution
and commercial sale of things, and fortunately a human life
comprises enough time and energy to have both. I don't
release music, but I do release software, both as a job and
freely online. Both obviously share my love of programming
and problem solving, but other than that they fulfill very
different desires.

Relax! you likely have at least 50 more years of life--do as
you please.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-04 21:40 [#01173605]
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Like the way I have sex with my girlfriend but I am also a
porn star.


 

offline kochlear from aud-stim.com on 2004-05-04 21:49 [#01173607]
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i do drugs regardless of the brain damage.

also, the reason i (and i assume everyone else here) make
music is to entertain people. i get great enjoyment out of
listening to music, and if i can make someone else feel the
same way, then mission accomplished.

making music and not letting anyone hear it would be like
making a painting then locking it away in a dark closet
forever. what's the point?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-05-04 21:56 [#01173612]
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if you make something for yourself, for your enjoyment, you
would have your point.



 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2004-05-04 22:01 [#01173618]
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Speaking of points that is a good one! I think doing it for
one's self is the most important thing i have quite a
collection of stuff which was written for me and me only and
i will never share it with anyone.


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-04 22:02 [#01173619]
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boo @ feedback


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-05-04 22:06 [#01173624]
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I find that remark to be not thought out very well and
although it uses modern internet lingo, or well, what was
modern about ten years ago, it lacks a certain "mmpf" to
keep it going.

nice try though, keep up the good work!


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2004-05-05 04:05 [#01173797]
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music is death


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-05 05:38 [#01173873]
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How many people are "signed" up to some internet label with
their "album" to download? Latest figures put it at
10,000,000,000,000,000 electronic artists releasing the same
"experimental" glitch in Widnes alone. Being on a label
doesn't really have the same meaning anymore, anyone can do
it, there are over 10,000,000,000,000,000 to choose from,
and if you can't it's because you are really, really, really
rubbish at making music.

Swapping MP3s of each others music is a community thing, a
good thing, but it annoys me when people say "download my
album". That's conceited and pretentious. Or worse, the way
people don't hesitate to call themselves "artists". An
artist is Picasso or the Aphex Twin, you are not an artist
just because you fancy being one or you picked up Max/MSP
once and hit the "Make Autechre Sound" button.



 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-05-05 05:54 [#01173892]
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If I have enjoyed previous tracks by a board member I do not
hesitate to download longer pieces of work by them; I don't
see it as conceited at all. If someone wants to share an
album they've made with everyone, why shouldn't they?



 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-05-05 05:55 [#01173894]
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but its the Thoughest i could post!!!


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-05 06:00 [#01173904]
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No no, I mean using the term "album". An album is "Led
Zeppellin III", "SAW II" or even "Use your Illusion pt.1". A
collection of MP3s, even if arranged to be listened to in
order, does not make an "album".


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-05-05 06:02 [#01173909]
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Well dang man! Double dang! Then what do you call it??


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-05 06:04 [#01173914]
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In less shameless times people would say "listen to my demo
tape". I guess now you could drop the tape bit.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-05-05 06:05 [#01173915]
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Then we're agreed. Pies all round.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-05-05 06:07 [#01173917]
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ima artist. listen to my album, please:

Mr Beagle

1-7

Chalahuña

Rust, jæve?!!!


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-05 06:12 [#01173924]
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You really do type some daft things...how the fuck have you
came to the conclusion that only people who's work has
received prior recognision can be called artists? A
collection of tracks is termed an album regardless of the
medium they are presented in/on. If Bleep offered an
exclusive Aphex 'album' in download form only would you be
emailing them to say they can't call it an album because
it's just a collection of MP3's?

Also you have to tell me where this Glitch button is in
Max/MSP so I can save myself the bother of learning
anything.

I beleive you make music yourself. I would be interested in
hearing some of your .


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-05-05 06:12 [#01173925]
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That should be a follow up to dog_belch.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-05 06:13 [#01173926]
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I don't know if it's from looking at your avatar, but I am
getting a medieval techno vibe from track 1-7. I
think you should consider signing to Phrax-0b, TranSPastic,
HeuuurgF, RhythimGeese or Gloom records immediately.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-05-05 06:14 [#01173927]
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ecnadniarb speaks of a dogma. do not go against it, for it
is true, what he says.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-05-05 06:16 [#01173929]
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thanks man! as raindance + b spelled backwards, I would like
to hear some of your music!


 


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