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Tripewriter from KARL Marx's shrine (i'm a communist) on 2001-12-31 23:20 [#00065252] | |||||||||
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You thoughts please!!!!! All input is appreciated, especially if you put a little reference to jazz or its from baron von picklefoot |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-01 00:02 [#00065263] | |||||||||
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Funny thing about Marxian communism is that - Marx spends all his time proving how bad and inefficient/alienating/exploitative Capitalism is : BUT hardly ever discusses what excactly would entail Communism. He does give rough outlines, but hardly to the extent and detail he offers of Capitalism/Feudalism and Primitve Communism. Marx makes some nice points - to a certain extent Capitalism is/or definetly has the potential to be exploitative, alientating [perhaps more so in Marx's day] ... But I think it is a little premature to jump to the conclusion that Communism ala Marx is the be all and end all of political systems -> The problem that Lenin discovered is that, while in theory it sounds quite nice, there is quite a bit of difficulty implemting it in practice. Even now I don't think any country or entity as such would be ready for communism (if ever there will be). And if one takes into account the Hegelian dialectic progression- in a way if one were a true marxist, one should prescribe to Capitalism - as this is the political system of our current age etc. Ok think I've blabbed on more than enough. See what you think - |
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Tripewriter from KARL Marx's shrine (i'm a communist) on 2002-01-01 00:07 [#00065267] | |||||||||
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So capatalism? You know capatalism isn't all that bad, but you have to admit that the best communist leader has to be Mussolini (facism baby yeah). Admittedly he was a facsist but he was from Italy, and its kinda cool there, i mean you cane just be on a scooter saying "ciao" (fucking cool) |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-01 00:08 [#00065268] | |||||||||
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'spose so :) |
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Tripewriter from KARL Marx's shrine (i'm a communist) on 2002-01-01 00:14 [#00065275] | |||||||||
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you know it.................facism is like a small gummi bears, once you pop you can't stop, they're addictive, like jelly babies on acid. Also i like scooters and saying "ciao" |
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wht from here on 2002-01-01 21:27 [#00065473] | |||||||||
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i would like to discuss on this but i can't find the damn words (english is not my language). Communism as an idea is great I think but it .... oh fuck it. ican't speak english so haveaniceday.............. |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2002-01-01 21:30 [#00065474] | |||||||||
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^^ wht: you were doing really well...give it a shot how else are you going to learn |
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wht from here on 2002-01-01 22:09 [#00065483] | |||||||||
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maybe tomorrow... now i'm tired and cant think really staight. EQUALITY should be number 1 on every human beings minds. to think of others too. |
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E man from Noitac ol on 2002-01-01 22:22 [#00065487] | |||||||||
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I, too, think that communism is a good idea that cannot be put in place at the moment, and I think that it's going to be hard since humans aren't willing to share and to give the same to all... think about that, every system can be the good one if people are going to be honest and respectful toward each thers... Ah! utopia... |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-01 22:28 [#00065493] | |||||||||
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The thing with Marxian Communism (as far as I understand) is that you don't have to sacrifice more than Marxian Capitalism (so to speak). The whole point of Communism according to Marx is that we would ALL be better off - no need to share our stuff!! [in the utopia] In that sense I guess we would be treated as equals, but not to the extent of ignoring differences between individuals. Just that under Communism these differences aren't exploited - amplified etc. ... ??? |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-01 22:31 [#00065495] | |||||||||
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A problem with it though, [along with many others] is that people with a lot of money and power, would prevent this change .. because while they wouldn't be worse off in communism (? - in itself) they don't want to give up their superiority - and their comparative wealth, which would essentially be redundant under communism. Not that in itself they would be worse of, but that they don't get the "glory" or being one of the few ??? |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-02 02:08 [#00065530] | |||||||||
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Communisms ideas are good in that they promote equality, they are bad in that the promote laziness, and power hungry bitchs are in control, and they prevent communism from working... |
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Mutant Death Pengwin from Medicine Hat on 2002-01-02 02:12 [#00065531] | |||||||||
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absolute power corrupts absolutly |
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tripewrier from a secret sommunist society on 2002-01-02 02:19 [#00065532] | |||||||||
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Equality will never ever work out gor the human race, people are naturally too self absorbed/obssessed/interested. A lawyer for eg, would feel he was being totally screwed/fucked if he were getting the same as a janitor (or something). "Selfishness is Human nature" or "Selflessness is nonexistent" besides the lawyers are all weasels who need to be slashed/killed, slick/smooth/coniving, dubious, lying, greedy fuckwits they are, ANd i would know for i have a pet weasel and he sued/screwed me for leaving him alone one night (bastard) |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-02 03:05 [#00065542] | |||||||||
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But Marx would say that this doesn't matter - because the janitor is a janitor because this is where his passion lies (same as the lawyer - despite justice not needing to be enforced under the utopia) ... if this is NOT where his passion lies then he should do somehting else, like paint or make music etc. [as Marx thinks humans are essentially creative beings] - The Lenin Communism failed, because you can't have everyone laze around and paint and be self sufficient (at least YET) ... |
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neednotknow on 2002-01-02 07:41 [#00065571] | |||||||||
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i think we should all live like people live in star trek next generations. food generators, spaceship, aliens, cool bald guys, androids, the works. |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-02 08:53 [#00065576] | |||||||||
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and don't forget the uniform!! :) |
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wht from here on 2002-01-02 10:38 [#00065584] | |||||||||
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yes i agree: total equality = total utopia |
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Cheap Magnet on 2002-01-02 11:31 [#00065588] | |||||||||
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Communism has never been in place, so any talk of it working will always be mere speculation...Russia had a Socialist system that couldn't become Communist due to its lack of external trading opportunities. I personally think human greed and stupidity will always wreck any system, except a 50 / 50 system which i thought about one day, but i don't know if it will work due to me not putting it in practise...alrighty, have a great day :) |
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Taxi on 2002-01-02 12:36 [#00065595] | |||||||||
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Many countries practice what is called a socialist-capitalist system, wherein the taxes are rather high, but so are the social benifits. Unfortunately, there are problems in those countries too. Reguardless of how much the government will support the people in those countries, the people still bitch about how high the taxes are. Really, if an entire country were to break down their political heirarchy, set up a bunch of small comunist comunities, and only work as a nation for defense porposes, I have a feeling that might work. If people were not happy with their leaders, they could always ellect new ones. I think one of the biggest problems with the north american democracy thing as it stands right now, is the populations can't choose to vote out their leaders when they start to piss them off. Really tho, people are stupid. They will make themselves happy with any conservative jackass sitting in the big chair. |
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wizards teeth on 2002-01-02 13:25 [#00065598] | |||||||||
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*************IDEA 1************** I like the concept of cyclical communism. Each country would be shaped a spiral In the centre of the spiral would exist a lovely big castle, as the spriral is followed outwards the quality of house / car / other materialistic items becomes lower in quality. Each family spend a month in each of the surroundings until they reach the end of the spriral in which they have to live in a cardboard box for a month, then they go back to the start of the cycle and live like kings for a month. Everyone is equal, but everyone gets the chance to experience each level of status. *************IDEA 2************** Wizard's Teeth Landmass System The world as we live in at the moment is split into landmasses. I propose each landmass is segregated and given a theme. The people of the world can choose in which theme they want to live in: Landmass 1 - Heroin Land Landmass 2 - Gay Land Landmass 3 - Lazy Bastard land Landmass 4 - Music Land Landmass 5 - Beastality land etc ect |
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Earface from Hello Dave? ...Is Dave there? ..Dave, my wife would like to use your toilet on 2002-01-02 17:15 [#00065625] | |||||||||
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Korben Dallas: I like what you have had to say about the problems in implementing communism. I think that this aspect is oxymoronic with Marxist theory because his philosophy argued the fundemental importance of understanding the historical-material influence of humankind (I think this a theory of human nature that Marx called 'species being') in order to bridge the gap between the then present conditions and the Kantian kingdom of ends. This gap had been recognised by Hegel as a "bad infinity" (you have to explain the dialectic to me because I know little about Hegel - exept that Marx basically turn his thoeries around). Marx's philosophy come ideology is thus based on the very thing that it fails at: implementation. Sometimes I think that the time we live in NOW is the best to time to implement socialist/communist politics, but, as someone has already pointed out, the self-indulgent inherence of capitalism has become so strongly inculcated into the minds of the public that communism would be wholly unsuccessful. This too is self contradictory to Marist theory, because he believed that capitalism is an inevitable path to communism. Somebody also pointed out (I think it was Koben Dallas) that Marx fails to outline communism directly but argues it's virtues by contrast of capitalism. I think that arguments from negation like this kind are incredibly fallacious but are existent in a lot of philosophical reasonning (see Plato's Theory of the Forms, or Descartes' arguments for the existence of God). Sorry, I don't mean to go on. One more thing. The thing I like the least about Marx is that he argues against Human Rights. I hate this aspect of any type of political/ethical philosophy because, as should be learnt from the Holocaust, the terror of Stalin, and the attacks on New York (to name a small few), Human Rights should fundemental in our ethical reasonning. Sorry to blab on for so long. |
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sebas on 2002-01-02 17:40 [#00065636] | |||||||||
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you people are so fucking dumb. one of you explained that if a janitor is in fact A JANITOR, this is where his passion lies...if not he will be something else? what? yeah okay, my passion in life is to become a janitor! no wait, it's to become a midnight security guard. sounds really fun! what a niche! equality will never happen. for example: ugly people. i think this speaks for itself. |
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Dirty Priest from Denmark on 2002-01-02 19:13 [#00065664] | |||||||||
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I like your second idea wizard boy. |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-02 21:52 [#00065714] | |||||||||
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Sebas: The Janitor Example was in relation to the "theoretical" communist utopia. Where the question of earning ones bread so to speak is irrelevant. Ofcourse in todays society/political organization a Janitor (as Marx also points out) could for arguments sake be more or less forced to do this job etc. (not enjoy it etc. etc. .. that for marx IS one of the points to turn to Communism) - what marx considers a form of exploitation ... hope this helps explain the janitor remark!!! |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-02 22:04 [#00065716] | |||||||||
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Earface: Dialectic progression is the type of change/progression that is seen from Feudalism to Capitalism and supposedly from Capitalism to Communism.? |
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sebas on 2002-01-03 00:33 [#00065756] | |||||||||
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now that the janitor remark has been explained i love all of you. Communism = Alright |
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Korben Dallas from _ on 2002-01-03 02:40 [#00065790] | |||||||||
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whether the sarcasm was intended or not - i love you too man |
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