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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-04-24 09:11 [#01158942]
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yes i am making a vocoder out of a pipe, a small speaker off a freebie tetris game and alot of effort.
anyone join me?
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:11 [#01158943]
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ha ha
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DoctorMO
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-24 09:13 [#01158945]
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can anyone do vocoding with normal vocals?
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-04-24 09:14 [#01158946]
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thats what im doin man
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:16 [#01158948]
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what you mean with your vocal chords??
nope
impossible
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-04-24 09:18 [#01158950]
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oh.. thought he ment with a normal relatime speaking voice..
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:21 [#01158952]
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lol
DoctorMO is a friend of mine
he likes to question stuff :)
he does sometimes have some really valid questions, that provoke major thought
sometimes he has questions that are impossible :)
either way, very smart guy, no doubt about it
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-24 09:22 [#01158953]
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analogue vocoding: sticking a "jagged" tube which is blown air into into your mouth and talking without breathing.
(watch the 2pac - California Love video to see a man doing this during the chorus)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:24 [#01158954]
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that's not vocoding
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-24 09:25 [#01158956]
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sounds the same (unless you want to vocode a piano)
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-04-24 09:27 [#01158957]
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yeah vocoding is alot more complicated
im doing the pipe thing though. its much esaier
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DoctorMO
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-24 09:29 [#01158959]
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ha ha, well it's good to know that it's no a skill but rather a technology.
hey I picked up some nice reason sound banks I'm going to use with some midi's I picked up. aren't I the expert ;-)
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-04-24 09:30 [#01158960]
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mm not realllyyyyy
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DoctorMO
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-24 09:32 [#01158961]
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no duh, I know more about kinetics than sound ;-)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:33 [#01158962]
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what sound banks did you get hold of?
any commercially available ones?
they're what you really wanna get hold of ;)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:36 [#01158964]
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anyways, i wouldn't be too sure that a vocoder wasn't used in California Love
Music Videos always love to embellish things that aren't true
like when there's obviously a sampled drum loop or a drum machine backbeat, yet in the video there's a real drummer on a real kit, miming to the backbeat
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DoctorMO
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-24 09:43 [#01158971]
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doesn't that mean there is no classic skill in playing the instrument, Oh well so much for musical integrity.
they may be ok for what I want to do but I don't think they'er commercial.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:45 [#01158975]
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Martin you need to understand how this stuff works
i tried to show you when you was here, but you obviously didn't take notice
of course there is skill involved, otherwise any fool could vocode stuff, or make breakbeats, or operate a drum machine
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:45 [#01158976]
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by the way, my name is Andrew
i wrote someones name by mistake
:(
i'm a fuck up
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DoctorMO
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-04-24 09:48 [#01158979]
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Ah well, yes I know there's skill just like there's skill in design. but some people still like to buy hand crafted items rather than machine carved even though they may have been both designed really well by musicians.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-04-24 09:54 [#01158981]
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it really pisses me off when people go on about traditional vs modern instruments
you know, at some point in history, the piano was "new" and people most probably shunned that too
same for violins, etc etc etc
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-04-24 10:53 [#01159003]
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vocoders are cool though :)
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-04-24 11:12 [#01159021]
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you mean a channel vocoder, phase vocoding is totally different. I can see how you could do channel vocoding with a pipe. Would make a good children's toy, too.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-04-24 11:15 [#01159027]
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yeah i've been using vocoders a lot lately - you can make some rich textures with them. if you want a good vocoder freeware program, try AnalogX Vocoder.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2004-04-25 03:41 [#01159661]
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yeah strictly speaking, what you are going to make is a 'talk box', which is different to a vocoder.
A real vocoder modulates a carrier. e.g. string sound is carrier, and it is modulated by a voice, i.e. shifted up or down slightly by the contours of the voice.
but talk boxes are still cool, and easy to make, just make sure you don't rattle your teeth too much, remember
if its too quiet, turn up the mic, not the speaker on the tube!
some people have actually damaged their teeth with too high volumes!!
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-04-25 04:37 [#01159680]
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try running your guitar and a synth trough a vocoder (youve gotta have 4 arms to get this right tho)
sounds great
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-04-25 04:39 [#01159682]
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nuh UNH!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-04-25 06:00 [#01159705]
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oscillik: I didn't say the song was necessarily recorded using that method, I just said that you should watch the video to see a man doing what I described.
easy to misunderstand, though.
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2004-04-25 07:38 [#01159730]
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that 's not a vocoder but a talkbox. and there are analog vocoders out there. Royksopp uses one for live shows.
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