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Hello, I am new to this forum. I have done some searching on the topic I am about to post, even so I apologize if I am repeating something that's already been covered. Here's my topic: It sounds like certain parts of Draft 7.30 are constructed from older Autechre tracks, and I'm not sure how I feel about this. My main example is P.:NTIL. To me, it is so similar in timbre to Arch Carrier that I suspect Arch was possibly reworked or mangled significantly to create the track. My aural clues are many, especially the deceptive but clear use of the Arch bassline as a distinct sound element far back in the mix, although it happens so fast you might not notice it. This particular similarity is so strong that it distracts me when I listen to it, and my ears prick up like when somebody is sneaking up behind me with a knife. Anybody else notice this? |
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maybe that's the intention i know that whenever i hear a sample of a track that i know and love embedded cleverly into a different track, i'm all like "did you hear that?!!" |
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I haven't. In fact I don't think I have noticed shared elements in autechre tracks (excluding the EPs, naturally) in this way before. In comparing the two tracks I can see what you mean a bit, but it could just be coincidence. |
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Hey I heard the bassline that you mentioned! I never noticed it until now. It's at 4:04 am I right? I can hear it clear as day. Cool observation ;D |
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I don't think there's anything wrong with "sampling yourself." It's like artists using the same motif more than once... just something that they like, or means something to them. |
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Not noticed any in autechre though. |
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Good first thread. :) I would be interested in investigating your find. |
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I don't have Arch Carrier so I can't comment on this particular relationship, but I have noticed a few and I do not think that they are deliberate, or rather the product of reworking an old track. For instance you could consider the melody of yulquen to be a rip off of the main one (the one which eventually emerges as a synthesis of all the previous stuff) in eggshell, however I think it is just a manifestation of their own personal style. They have a certain way they like things to sound, and this will by definition consistently affect all of their output. Luckily they have a wide variety of tastes and are constantly evolving, so we have nice things to listen to. Unluckily I seem to be unable to state anything but the obvious at the moment. I just downloaded Arch Carrier and I think this is another case of what I just said. The common rhythmic/timbre/pitch elements are simply due to the fact that the same people did it, not that they redid an early work. It doesn't clinch the argument, but both works definitely have a completely different point/essence. I started a thread a while back about internal structure in autechre albums, and I remember great posts therein by mappatazee and horsefactory... anyway Draft7.30 is quite a far evolution from earlier stuff and I think this is coincidental. |
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it's the sounds of aliens making computers in space (not serious) |
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I always see STAR WARS BatTlE dronES plAying computar robot muzik whenevar I lissen to iTT! |
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You don't have Arch Carrier... that means you DON'T HAVE LP5 ????????666666666!!!„¢~!!!11„¢??? Run to buy it, man! Speaking of LP5... I have the white version (which kinda suck), but I was in a store last week and I saw the frosted black version. Should I get it? I mean is it worth it for like 15$ even if I already have LP5.... or should I leave this copy for somebody else to discover AE. Hmmm, anybody? Same goes for EP7, if I find the frosted one I'll jump on it as it's the one with the hidden track (not my plain version)... |
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get it on vinyl, I have the white one too unfortunately Have you ever wondered how it would sound to you if you had gotten the black frosted version? It would probably be totally different. No joke. |
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actually I downloaded it while writing the post and waited for it to finish.. so I was able to comment on it at the end. True I don't have lp5; I just started listening to autechre but already have 8 albums (I like them quite a bit as you can likely tell). |
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you must be one of their biggest fans having all their mp3's and everything. respect! |
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Aquinas, you got the time right- 4:04. You are definitely hearing the same thing I am. It repeats a bunch of times as well. Also, there are other elements in there that are quite similar to Arch Carrier, although the patterns/notes are far different. I gotta give props to Autechre for the fact that I'm still making weird connections on an album that I've had for a year. |
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..which would logically mean you like a completely different group than autechre, as mp3-technology can be pretty harsh on their music.. |
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all their stuff is so alike, it's hard to tell... |
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only to the untrained ear, my small furry friend. |
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my ear is so untrained, even all skam stuff seems all alike, my computer-less friend. |
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now you're just being facetious, surely! |
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if anyone is being facetious, it's autechre... i don't like them too much...i don't like them at all |
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I've heard it said that they really like you. |
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not even confield? |
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I DON'T LIKE THEM TOO MUCH...I DON'T LIKE THEM AT ALL. Well, now. That has a neat little rhythm to it. |
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that's nice...i'll keep that in mind in case i turn gay deadeight - maybe a little, but i haven't listened to it in a very long time, at least 6 months...infact i haven't listened to any autechre since that long... |
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i realized today that i haven't listened to autechre in months... but it has less to do with my not liking them (i likes ae... some ae i likes a lot) than it does with the fact that there's always too much stuff i have to hear |
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are there any older records you like to listen to, even if there's too much new stuff to check? |
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well, I wasn't exactly saying they wanted to bum you, but if that's what you want.. |
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It doesn't matter... remixes can be as compelling as originals some times better(for example "come to daddy" ep). "I'm not sure how I feel about this." I think you will grow out of it! |
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oh yeah... definitely... as much as i listen to new stuff i'm always further and further acquainting myself with the stuff that i've found over time... as welll as discovering alll the good stuff that came out years ago... i used to listen to autechre all the time, and i'll probably never stop listening... just haven't listened lately... |
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I still haven't come across something as rhythmically amazing as confield!!! |
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bine, parahelic triangle, and uviol... are three of my favourite tracks of all time... |
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parhelic triangle is simply beautiful. |
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jesus.. the guy has just discovered the group and says he already owns 8 albums.. do you think he's really fucking them over royally by downloading one of their songs? |
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the chimes! the chimes! |
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autechre is so varied, I think none of it sounds alike...except for incunabula |
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i must of bought the wrong albums then... |
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i was certain draft was live until that interview stated it was sequenced. maybe its phrased? i dont know what to think .. thats some mad sequencing if thats what it is. |
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ch ch ch ch changes |
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I don't hear anything in PNTIL that sounds like anything from Arch Carrier ????????? |
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Me either. Let them keep fooling themselves, it's okay. |
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they are probably hearing the same shitty MP3 distortion at 4:04 |
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rockenjohnny> it is what it is |
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are they talking about like two 'ding dong' kind of notes that sound kind of like the 'plucked' notes in arch carrier. Whatever, I don't see how this makes it 'constructed out of arch carrier' |
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i just reviewed it 20 or 30 times (dead serious) and at best i'd put it as just coincidence ?????? the tracks even just vaguely sound alike. |
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Yep, good to be in agreement with you, comrade. |
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yeah these people let by their own wishful thinking too much i mean i get those times too, where im listening to some shit and i think i hear some sort of 'secret' you know -- but, damn, the music is what it is you know... come on guys... cant say i dont do it myself though |
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Yes!... yes I do. Ae are being royally fucked over by you know who. It's dissgusting! .....revolting actually. |
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autechre are like pc's older ones crash new ones makes us blind |
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