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Would you support war on ANY country abusing human rights? The two i mentioned above? China? Russia? Places where the west has financial interests? |
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"promo from United Kingdom on 2004-03-21 19:25 [#01112173] Points: 3569 Status: Addict | Followup to hobbes: #01112140 Hey calm down Hobbes. We doesn't include you and I never said it did. What makes you think when I said we in the first place that I was including you" cant do the reply thing, sorry. anyway, i dont think you got what i meant,nevermind. your government cares about you,ha ha, it really does mate. |
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i fear that posting my fears here will send me into a suicidal relapse. |
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flying insects fck me up |
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Lets get things into perspective now. China is a very big country and so is Russia. So unfortunately human rights issues have to be dealt with differently in these countries. That is unless you want an end to the world I would say going to war with those countries wouldn't be advisable. Quite frankly its just plain unrealistic. Yes China's human rights abuses are dispacable and disgusting. That said they are moving on as a country and the same with Russia. The thing you've got to appreciate above all else, especially with China, is that it has no concept of rule of law. It never has. My view is, the countries and rulers which can be dealt with should be dealt with. Whether that be Iraq, Iran, Afganastain, Zimbabwe or elsewhere. And I'm not interested in what supposed errors the West has made with whom it may or may not have supported in the past. That is the past and no doubt the West's intention's were good at the time. However bad judgements are made and will happen again - nothing is perfect. But using the past simply as a smoke screen for no action and not doing what its necessary now is ridiculous. |
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I have to live forever |
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I don't believe for one minute that the "coalition of the willing" intentions were pure when they invaded either afghanistan or iraq (and ousted democratically elected leaders elsewhere). Why is a former oil company tycoon now running afghanistan? The fact is that the west has very selective vision when it comes to foreign policy: we have interests in indonesia, so we provide weapons to crush dissenters in east timor. Goddam russians invading afghanistan? Fund those towelheads to crush the commies. Governments in south america getting just a little left-wing? Try to force a coup. As long as trade prospers to our benefit, the leaders of the US, UK etc currently in power couldn't give a shit what we do as long as nobody finds out. This isn't just a case of "bad judgement" as you put it, but a systematic method of keeping other nations at our beck and call. After all, even after al-qaeda's '93 attack on the WTC, the attacks on american embassies and warships, the Bush family STILL kept financial ties with the oil-rich bin laden family. Would this be a case of self-serving financial interests at the expense of loss of life? Or just bad judgement? Food for thought. |
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Yes I'd crush communism too. And... |
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I've already given my view. I can't speak for other's supposed actions or intentions. Of course if you dig deep enough sure you're gonna find fault in any system but that wasn't my point. My point was a very simple one it was about human rights issues. Nothing of course is black and white and no doubt there is plenty of grey area in government. Of course that doesn't excuse it. But just think within your own microcosm of activity do you always make the right descision? You might find its not as easy to answer as you might believe. Of course when it comes to conducted matters ethically of course that must be adhered to. But people's ethics and moral codes have a funny habit of being ignored when the chips are up but when they're down every man and his dog wants to question them. By the way I am not trying to score a victory. |
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I don't think there's any "victory" to be scored in simply discussing viewpoints, obviously ours differ quite a bit. Of course nobody's ethical codes are infallible (i know mine aren't), but i think that in government, a tendency to "look the other way" when torture and genocide are concerned simply because we have financial interests in the area is inescusable. It happens too often to be simply bad judgement in my opinion. |
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to have aids |
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Got no problem with what you say. Am 100% on message with what you say. I don't think we disagree at all. |
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losing my boyfriend burglars being attacked when I'm naked, in the shower, especially dogs I also used to have fear of cars until I had to face my fear when my mother ran over my foot and stayed on it for about 2 minutes until she realised why i was screaming at her to get off... |
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that was meant to be "especially in the shower" and dogs. Not... in the shower especially by dogs... :S |
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the figure i see moving in the bush outside my house every night around 2AM |
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i fear my butt looks big in these pants. |
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deaf |
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almost everything |
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