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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 04:09 [#01088397]
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One of our fellow board members pointed out that a track that i had been creating (Jelli) was unoriginal. I totally saw where he was coming from, but it made me feel bad as he makes amazing tunes and i can't match up to it. I know that there will always be someone better than you, but thats not the point.
I looked back over alot of the tracks that i have been making recently. Dreamt (which on Xltvibes 7 i believe) and other un-released tracks are heavy rip-offs of Boards of Canada and other ambient works. The first track mentioned (Jelli) used a distorted 303 line and used the amen break and a few other popular Drum and bass breaks, which is a rip-off of umpteen other artists.
My question is: Does anyone else feel bad when they create something that is only gonna be catagroized in theshadow of another person?
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-02-25 04:11 [#01088399]
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i dont even care about that. my ideas are original and my own. if someone else thinks it sounds a little too much like something else, thats fine for them. i just do what i feel from within, everything else takes a backseat to that when im creating.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-25 04:16 [#01088402]
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I don't care either. I make music I want to listen to. Everyone has their own "take" on a sound or style and who is to say that your style won't be adopted and adapted by someone else...it is how music (and most other stuff) progresses.
Never allow anyones opinion discourage you, especially on a work in progress. There can be many other factors influencing their opinion (possible jealousy, different taste in music and so on)
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-02-25 04:19 [#01088403]
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i agree. im lucky to have at leats one friend who i can bounce my stuff off of and trust his feedback on. thats all you really need for feedback.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-02-25 04:20 [#01088404]
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if i make a track sounding similar to something i heard before i deleted it imediately.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-02-25 04:21 [#01088405]
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i make lots of music, but only 1/10 songs make it out of my computer (i have 500 songs at home, so that's 50 songs that have left my computer). the ones that don't make it are shit or too similar to something i've heard before.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-25 04:24 [#01088407]
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Some of the best song I have heard sound instantly familiar even if they are totally original. It is daft to delete anything. Do artists worry about painting hills and trees because someone has done that before? no, because they know they are leaving their style on the finished peice.
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big
from lsg on 2004-02-25 04:25 [#01088408]
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wouldnt it be nice to set up a page at wire or whatever where everyone can upload, or let slurp from another site, their music too. that'd be easier to check out than searching old threads with peoples music????
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 04:27 [#01088409]
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click here for Jelli
Please bare/bear in mine that this was made in about half an hour
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-25 04:38 [#01088419]
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Don't worry about it too much. People will always compare your music to other artists. It happens to big names too; People compare Freescha to BoC etc.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-02-25 04:47 [#01088429]
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i make music for myself i dont give a fuck about what others think.. same goes for what music i listen to, i dont care if its l33tually correct and stuff
i cant possibly expect anyone else to like it...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-02-25 04:50 [#01088433]
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but if you make a song, and then you realize you've only made something you've heard before, do you keep working on it?
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Sempoo
from Barlinek (Pluto) on 2004-02-25 05:34 [#01088470]
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I have heard once, from my buddy, that one track made by me is not original...
I am always trying to avoid copying others ideas.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-02-25 05:57 [#01088492]
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ive made songs that sounded REAL close to what another musician might do, but i kept it cuz i figure i enjoy the song and that person DIDNT write this, I DID
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 08:38 [#01088604]
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Cheers guys
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-25 10:33 [#01088736]
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its annoying, for sure.
You spend alot of time and put alot of heart into something, only to have others shrug it off as a ripoff, or unoriginal.
Fuck that. Do what you do. If it happens to be boundry-pushing, you'll get the recognition you deserve, if not, then it doesnt matter, because it wasnt your intent anyways. Your intent was to make music that you like, and youve accomplished that.
Music as of late, seems to be a bit too obessesed with being "new"... but I rather listen to the beatles, from almost 40 years ago, because it is good music, then listen to *insert some dsp-wankfest artist here* that makes unheard of sounds, but fails to capture enough emotion (subjective i know).
My point is, do what you think is right. You cannot please everyone, so you might as well please yourself.
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-02-25 10:45 [#01088741]
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everything i create is 100% original. Even the notes.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-02-25 10:48 [#01088743]
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I took abb5.... reversed it and sent it to rephlex as a demo.
j/k
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2004-02-25 10:48 [#01088744]
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I totally agree with that. I must admit that recently i have been having the same problem by thinking that everything i do is a rip off. It really dosen't matter to me now becuase you have to enjoy what you make if you become to critical because then it takes all of the fun out of it.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2004-02-25 10:54 [#01088748]
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ive resided to the fact i may never make something truly original but i enjoy making music and thats all that matters to me
to be fair there has only been a handfull of truly original artists
everybody hails afx but eno made ambient 10yrs+ before him and so on
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 11:00 [#01088749]
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I did enjoy making the track, but then he said it and it kinda put a huge downer on me.
Just asking, has anyone actually listened to the track? I did post a link to it
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2004-02-25 11:03 [#01088754]
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i will in about 30mins :)
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-25 11:07 [#01088760]
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i just make music that i would want to listen to. i don't think anyone has ever told me my tracks sounded like a rip-off of something else.
you say you only spent 30 minutes writing that track? maybe you just got to have more patience in developing your style spend more time on your tracks, add more detail. put more of yourself into each track. i often take months to write a single track.
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 11:07 [#01088761]
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Cheers :)
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 11:10 [#01088765]
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I was just getting people reactions, this wouldn't be the final edit, just to show its progress.
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-02-25 11:16 [#01088775]
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who said this about the track? have you got a link to the thread?
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-02-25 11:19 [#01088781]
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well i definitely recognize the break beat. there isn't really anything else much going on in the track to call it a rip off of anything though. as a work in progress, it sounds like an ok start, but as for originality, yeah you're gonna have to change up that beat, or distort it or swap it out or bury it under other beats or it's just going to sound like any other DnB or break track. You are really going to have to be groundbreaking to do anything original in a genre where everything sounds the same.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-02-25 11:34 [#01088808]
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Fuck whoever said that!
FUCK HIM
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 13:23 [#01088994]
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Evolume: Yeah i know, all in my mind about what i'm going to do.
DJ: Nah i don't wanna fuck him, i like his judgement, and i love talking to him, even though he probably doesn't think i do.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-02-25 13:25 [#01089001]
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Well, seems fair
P.S. Garth Merenghi repeat tonight!!!
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 13:28 [#01089009]
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When?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-25 13:36 [#01089019]
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Actually your track was a little unoriginal :D
You just seem to have slotted together existing breaks with no real adjustment or trickery. However don't let that stop you from finishing it. You just have to make it your own now :D
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 13:37 [#01089022]
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i'll take it down
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-25 13:38 [#01089024]
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No leave it up but also finish it :D
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-02-25 13:38 [#01089025]
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Half eleven I think, E4
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-25 14:04 [#01089064]
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New episode tommorow night :D
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-02-25 14:06 [#01089067]
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don't let it bother you. the truth is, every artist starts someone, and that is usually on ground other artists have already trampled over endlessly. think of it as learning - you start with something familiar, then develop off it, until you are off that familar ground and you've found that path less travelled by, and that makes all the difference. (Robert Frost was a wise man.)
And besides, remember for EVERY idea, no matter how original it may seem, has been thought of by someone else at least 200 times. It's not really the originality of the idea at all - it's the way you express and construct it that characterizes your creations.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-02-25 14:17 [#01089087]
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im above the poletarions
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 14:25 [#01089111]
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Not trying to sound too melodramtic, but this totally fucked my head. I have this incredible headache and when i try to make music i can't.
Fucking songwriters block.
Thank you everyone who has posted on here
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Clic
on 2004-02-25 14:26 [#01089117]
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Do what you want to do and do your best.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-02-25 14:27 [#01089119]
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Not above creative use of spelling though, eh? ;-P
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-02-25 14:31 [#01089129]
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who cares what anyone else thinks? what is important is whether YOU are happy with what you do - are you?
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Murray
from Southend, Essex (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-25 14:33 [#01089133]
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I was
I think Saturday will do me well, seeing my soon to be girlfriend, who i miss dearly. She inspired me, alot.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-02-25 14:37 [#01089139]
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very good. hope that works out for you, mate. :D
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