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Man Im about to puke when I start FLP, I know whatever I will produce in this session will SUCK...for fucks sake, thats so depressing....gahaahah.... |
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Hahahahaha |
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i feel your pain, friend. |
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Balls. That track I mistook for "Click No Cheese" you did and I remixed is great. I want to hear some breakbeat type stuff from you. |
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it's time to move on to new software anyhow. cakewalk has given fruity loops the ax. no longer made, no future updates from what my stores distributor tells us. it's a bad idea to use what will soon be outdated software. if some new version of xp comes out and FL is incompatible with it, you're fooked mate. might as well start on a new program now. Ableton Live is the way to go. it bathes Fruity Loops in the awesomeness of it's urine. |
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haha true |
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Troof, and I really hate the FLP Interface...its ugly and uninspering |
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ableton doesn't even have midi support |
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Well, then check out the |
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and I hope you're joking with the no updates for fruity loops thing. that would break my hart |
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if you wanna use a tracker use Renoise. it's the mother of all trackers and it has vsti support |
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Ableton DOES have midi support! |
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abletone live doesnt have a MIDI sequencer... ive been been a midi yoke in cubase to sync it with live, but it dosnet work very well.. |
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Ableton is good at what it does (sequence loops, especially in a performance setting), but it's not a viable way of making tracks on its own yet IMO. |
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I'm pissed off at FL for its sound quality at the moment. I don't like what its mixer and renderer do to the quality of third party instruments and effects, and I don't like the way it handles VSTis - one midi in, one stereo audio out - very limiting if you use Reaktor. Looks like I'm gonna have to turn to Cubase. Why the fuck can't Steinberg program midi learn into their mixer and effects interface? It pisses me off - makes everything feel so inaccessible and stiff. If anyone has another suggestion I'm all ears - I've already tried and discarded Cakewalk, Tracktion, Muzys, and any number of trackers. |
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Right I thought I was the only one, but the fruity sound quality is overall very weak...dunno why this is....maybe my tracks just suck |
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Yes, after using floops' midi learn, other programs' midi functions seem such a bind... |
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I was talking about the sequencing part. being able sequence some notes would be nice. |
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I didn't say it was, i said it has midi support which it does so you can control the faders and effects. |
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Part of the problem is that what you hear in your live mix just isn't the same as what gets exported. I think the closest you can come is if you export a 32 bit wav with linear interpolation - that is, no interpolation. Then you have to use something else to dither it to 16 bit so you can burn it to CD or make an MP3 or whatever. I know from experience that using effects in the FL mixer can make things very muddy and crappy sounding, especially when using native FL effects. It's a subtle thing but you hear it in your finished product. Damn, how can they get so much right, like the midi control, the slicer, the very nice piano roll, and then it's all hollow in the end because of the sound quality... |
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the soundquality ain't bad or crappy. you just need to learn how to mix your track and how to master it AFTER you have exported it. or you can record using soundforge. just play your live mix and record it in soundforge. that way it will sound like your live mix.nobody on this board can tell the difference if a track was made using fruity or cubase. unless if you would use fruity samples. |
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also a good soundcard will help you to. and I don't think vst effects can be different in soundquality in different sequencers. a wav file that has been imported does sound different then a wav file that has been imported into cubase foe example. adn a wav file in logic does sound different that a wav file in reason or whatever. |
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Well I don't know what to tell you... I've tried many combinations of recording and or exporting with FL and mastering in Wavelab with PSP Vintagewarmer and Waves mastering plugins, and it still doesn't come out well in the end. Whereas working with Cubase everything sounds much better in the live mix and the exported file sounds reliably similar to the live mix. I'm tired of beating my head against that particular brick wall. I felt the same when I decided to stop trying to use Linux as my main desktop OS - you get tired of fighting with your tools. |
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then you should work with what suits you the most :D |
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I'm using an M-audio audiophile 24/96 - it's a decent card. And the way the host processes and routes audio can profoundly affect the sound of both samples and VSTis. When you mix and EQ sounds, it's not like analog - there are very specific algorithms that have to alter multiple data-streams according to complicated mathematical formulae that cause bone cancer if you think about them too much. And they're not the same from one host to the next. |
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Yes, exactly. I think I'm only posting in this thread to watch the tits being mashed! |
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it's the only reason I post here. to watch my own avatar |
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dayum. |
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you'll get over it |
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Microsofts next platform is going to be "longhorn" i'm sure nothing will end up being compatable with it....F**king microsoft. |
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You appear to have posted in the wrong thread. Possibly also the wrong messageboard. In fact, you may well be on the wrong Internet. |
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sorry, my response was for herbwest |
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I got pissed off with Fruity Loops a couple of weeks ago - Yeah, the sound quality was starting to make everything I did sound the same - Definetly have to export and mix in something else... I think I'm jus gonna use it for the occassional bit of drum programming from now on. Really like Reason at the moment - Just cos it's so different - Much more fun to use - Although still pretty shit sound quality, but easy enough to export to Logic. Couldn't really get into Ableton - Messed around with it a bit - Actually like the playback sound quite a lot - Very smooth - Bit like Logic. I got pissed off with Renoise a little while ago cos it had a bit of a harsh sound I started to notice, and it really bugged me after a while... Everything I did in it sounded a little lo-fi and under produced.. |
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you know you can use fruity as a vsti in cubase. so you can make your drums in fruity and use your samples, effects whatever in cubase or logic |
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Reason is really good but it takes quite alot of effects to get a good sound when after exporting.. |
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Sound quality is not something that you can tack on afterwards - if your mix is muddy, it's rather hard to un-muddy, like trying to take the flour out of a cake that's been baked. |
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what do you mean cakewlk has given fruity the ax? its not got anything to do with cakewalk. dont think your stores distributer has a clue what he's talking about. |
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i recommend downloading a program called "T-Racks" and mastering your songs after you export from fruity. it completely eliminates the muddiness problem. |
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you're right hepburnenthorpe, i confused myself. cakewalk and fruity loops have always been distributed by the same company in our area. someone the otherday wanted to get FL 4. when i went to order it, i was told that they're not distributing it anymore. he then recommended Cakewalk's Project Five. this is where my brain latched onto the idea that Cakewalk had their hands in Fruity Loops somehow. it appears that i'm wrong. but Fruity Loops has lost all their North American distribution, their website states that. which means you're not going to find it in any stores until/if they find a new one. the only way to get is to order it yourself through their website. hope that clears things up. |
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i really don't have too much of a problem with FLStudio. 4.1 yes, i tweak it as much as i can with VSTs and the like, but my music still makes up greatly for the disadvantage i have at a cheap-practically free downloaded crack program. ha, ok. it all started with mtv music generator, yo.......and i just can't look at it as a depressing thing..... out. |
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ive been using project5 for the last 6 months or so anyhow. its way better than fruity IMHO. |
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this thread is a joke. |
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Yeah, I'm certainly not too into Reasons' fx or synths - Although I wouldn't say they're "bad" - I like the Dr Rex and the Drum machine a lot though! I "think" between Logic and Reason I've finally found a setup I'm happy with.. Well, semi-happy! Exporting wav files track by track from Reason can take a while! But it's the only way I've found to do it whilst maintaining quality. |
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