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Li_xiao_long
from Daye (China) on 2004-02-15 07:19 [#01074019]
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All I want to say is that Plaid's new one does not warrant these withered reviews.
I'm all for Plaid. They're the ones who are keeping IDM fun. IDM isn't all about snacketty-clicky aural assaults. Plaid keep it bouncy and ridiculously beautiful.
And Parts in the Post is the best remix album EVER!
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blowfield
on 2004-02-15 07:22 [#01074023]
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their best album so far is rest proof clockwork. spokes is still good, but if you compare with other plaid releases it is one of their weakest.
the remix album i only heard some samples. it sounds good. i like the AIFOL remix for björk.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-02-15 07:23 [#01074024]
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Spokes is EXCELLLENT!
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blowfield
on 2004-02-15 07:25 [#01074026]
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the media gave bad reviews about the album, and at first i agreed, but after a time i liked the album more than at the beginning, but it has some weak points. it sounds too.... retro
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Erronous
from Netherlands, The on 2004-02-15 07:26 [#01074028]
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totally not true.
Spokes is an excellent albums, only the hardcore Plaid fans bother with the back-to-TBD style. Spokes is different, yet better than their other efforts. It's all about your personal opinion, but NEVER say it's their weakest, cause that's a totally inadequate answer.
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blowfield
on 2004-02-15 07:33 [#01074035]
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sure in my opinion, what do you think? i was disappointed because i expected they would continue from double figure to something more plaid, but what spokes is (imo), is a attempt to sound like not for the threes or trainer, but with new equipment and some years more experience.
as i said it is a good album, but if you compare it with other plaid releases it is one of their weakest (imo) :D
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-02-15 08:03 [#01074063]
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Spokes is the best from what I've heard!
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Key
from Bbbbarrow-in-f (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-15 08:18 [#01074069]
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It's my favorite Plaid album, it's been in my stereo much more than their other albums. It's appreciated much more by me when I read that interview where they revealed some of the techniques used in making Spokes, Crumax Rins was the sounds of an old vintage Crumax synth dying, and the beats in Quick Emix are filtered bat calls.
I think the reason it was given lukewarm reviews (in the mainstream music press anyway) is because it isn't neccesarily a step forward, its just a mixture of older Black Dog style sound with mature production. Plus it's not exciting or raw music to write about, like perhaps Squarepusher or Aphex are but it is really nice pleasing IDM with a kind of updated A.I. sound. Very good though.
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Erronous
from Netherlands, The on 2004-02-15 08:21 [#01074073]
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i already thought, where is my back-up!
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 08:26 [#01074076]
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Spokes is their best work to date. That's not only my opinion, that's a scientifically proven fact.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-02-15 08:31 [#01074078]
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Is that so?
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 08:34 [#01074081]
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Yes, in fact I am very much tempted to say that it is indeed definately and most certainly so.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-02-15 08:35 [#01074082]
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Good...I just wanted to clear that up!
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blowfield
on 2004-02-15 08:35 [#01074084]
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you are all cunts, you made me listen to it again now
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nacmat
on 2004-02-15 08:44 [#01074087]
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I simply love plaid
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-02-15 09:10 [#01074101]
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spokes is, like almost every other plaid release, a fucking masterpiece
and if you do not like it you a) are a robot b) have been aurally raped in your childhood by n*sync c) havent listened to it enough
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blowfield
on 2004-02-15 09:19 [#01074108]
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c.)
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woj
on 2004-02-15 11:50 [#01074267]
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true
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2004-02-15 11:51 [#01074270]
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its just not good
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2004-02-15 12:02 [#01074294]
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I think it is great but i havem't listened to it for ages.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-02-15 12:02 [#01074296]
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i heard some plaid and it bores me
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2004-02-15 12:07 [#01074304]
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I can see why it would bore some people, personally i think there are Three really blinding tracks on this.
Even spring Cedar city Marry
The rest are a little bit lacking in one area or another but they are still good.
The spokes material also works very well live.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 12:16 [#01074316]
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you forgot Zeal :)
virginpusher: Have you heard Spokes at all? If not, you should listen to it. A few people here who are not Plaid fans appreciate Spokes nonetheless.
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Key
from Bbbbarrow-in-f (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-15 12:39 [#01074342]
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B Born Droid and Crumax Rins are classic Plaid. Marry is good but it's not the only good thing on there as many people have said.
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uzim
on 2004-02-15 12:43 [#01074345]
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"That's not only my opinion, that's a scientifically proven fact."
> can you show us the scientific proof then? ; )
(no, seriously i like Spokes very much - but this sentence, "it's not just my opinion, it's a fact" is just getting on my nerves... because it's never true... just being pretentious =))
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onecaseman
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-02-15 12:58 [#01074368]
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I think it might be their best album.
The only reason people don't like it is because all of a sudden it's not cool to like Plaid anymore. I swear some IDM fans will hate anything that's actually listenable now.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 13:20 [#01074392]
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relax uzim, I'm just fucking about :)
I know a lot of the folks here dont like spokes as much as double figure or another plaid release. however, what pisses me off is people saying they dont really like spokes because it sounds different than previous plaid albums. i find it pretty damn impressive enough how plaid manages to innovate and improve their music while still keeping that authentic plaid sound intact.
on top of that I just think spokes is technically the best plaid release, and some of the separate tracks on spokes move me more than 'rest proof clockwork' or 'not for threes' as a whole.
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blowfield
on 2004-02-15 13:59 [#01074438]
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so you think plaid has equal good albums? i mean everyone has his favs and mine is rest proof clockwork. even as a aphex twin "fan" (is IDM a genre where you can call someone fan?) i think he has his less good and his better albums.
this doesn't mean, i don't listen to his weaker stuff.
plaid is cool, there is no doubt, and i will still love them for centuries, but after listening to 3 albums of them, i chose what is my fav. plaid sound, and what i expected was that plaid would make a better album (p-brane ep was good! such like i expected).
plaid is a band making albums which sound different... you cannot compare double figure with not for the threes for example, but you know from the very first moment it is plaid. this is also the case with spokes, so it is good for me, i really like it, but if you compare it with their other releases it is weaker. what means i love their other releases more than this, not that it is trash.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 14:07 [#01074447]
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does plaid have equally good albums? i don't think so, not for me anyway. i like spokes better than RPC or NF3s, or even double figure. same goes for me: i'm not saying the other albums are trash but I prefer spokes way over RPC/NF3s/DF/etc.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-15 15:06 [#01074557]
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Because it's crap, that's why. Goodnight and so long forever!
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 15:08 [#01074561]
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a true fan has spoken :P
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-02-15 15:36 [#01074598]
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Ive always wondered how Plaid is pronounsed.
???
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 15:38 [#01074603]
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I usually say "Plade" but some say it's pronounced "Plad".
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-02-15 15:39 [#01074609]
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Yeah i think "plade" is what i say to.
"plad" makes no sense.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-15 15:43 [#01074610]
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"Plad" sounds like it's derived from french :) (like "lait" or so )
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Key
from Bbbbarrow-in-f (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-15 16:07 [#01074657]
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Plad is correct if the band are named after the material pattern.
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Jedi Chris
on 2004-02-15 16:23 [#01074682]
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Agreed
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uviol
from United States on 2004-02-15 16:49 [#01074721]
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It's 'Plad' .. never heard anyone pronounce it otherwise. Nevertheless, I must agree with eXXailon here.. I think all Plaid is most definitely NOT created equal. I didn't even like Plaid *until* they came out with Spokes.. this latest effort is what won me over. Before that, I just thought of them as bland melodic techno musicians attempting to make IDM. This isn't so far off I don't think .. especially when you listen to maddeningly repetative and rather dull works like Trainer. This is gonna open a new can of worms.. I know there are alot of Trainer lovers here.. but seriously.. I think Spokes was a definite step in the right direction.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-02-15 17:38 [#01074764]
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Yeah Spokes is great. It's also pretty complex harmonically and melodically, something nobody seems to notice.
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-02-15 19:22 [#01074815]
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if you want to hear how Plaid has to be pronounced listen to Blechsdöttir nr 4420 Squarepusher-Problem Child at 2:30 and you will hear it ;)
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xf
from Australia on 2004-02-15 20:01 [#01074825]
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for plaid only
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zonkey kong
from here (Vatican City State (Holy See)) on 2004-02-15 22:06 [#01074860]
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Does the world really need another Queen?
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Asche XL
on 2004-02-15 22:55 [#01074874]
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No one mentions Double Figure? It's gold.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2004-02-16 08:07 [#01075104]
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definately not...
it's a good thing that plaid is nothing like queen.
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artemis
from Ghent (Belgium) on 2004-02-16 08:52 [#01075122]
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Tracks as "Marry" and "quick emix" blow up my mind! Spokes contains also very crap tracks, that true
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acidophilus
from the gates of dawn on 2004-02-16 08:53 [#01075123]
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spokes is in my top ten of releases during last year.
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RedSky
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-04-29 09:11 [#01166594]
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Spokes is a grower in a huge way, whereas Rest Proof and Double Figure grabbed you right away.
Spokes is quality stuff though.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-04-29 09:22 [#01166624]
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I found Spokes to be boring. I would have felt comlpletely ripped off having bought it from Warpmart had it not have been for the rather excellent DialP mix.
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nacmat
on 2004-04-29 12:16 [#01166979]
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where can I buy that dial p thingy???
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teion
on 2004-04-29 12:20 [#01166992]
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spokes is one of the best IDM albums i've heard, and i think that you are right when you say it is just different. kind of like the 2nd album syndrome; stay the same are you are a one trick pony - do it different and people says you are abondoning your roots.
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