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aquinas
on 2004-01-29 06:45 [#01053249]
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Now, lets discuss Autechre - Draft 7.30 [WARPLP111]. Details can be found here
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aquinas
on 2004-01-29 06:50 [#01053255]
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Well fuck. I accidentally made this thead because I'm stupid.
But since it's here..
I think Draft is one of Ae's tightest albums so far. Besides LP5, I think this one is my favourite as far as full-lengths go. There are so many images that this album conjures up. P.:NTIL sounds like a futuristic film-noir burlesque house, VL AL is like a dark, grungy public bathroom at a subway station, and Reniform Puls is just glorious. I don't think there's a track on this album that I don't like. Draft works perfectly as a whole, but each track holds its own as a separate journey as well.
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2004-01-29 06:59 [#01053269]
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i dont enjoy the first and final track but i'm keen on everything else. my fav. tracks are IV... Surripere and V Proc
my fav. albums by them are Envane, Gantz and this one ofcoarse. i honestly haven't been listening to their other releases in quite sometime now.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-29 07:01 [#01053272]
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Neither envane nor gantz graf are albums. What are you, some kind of idiot? You have a lot of explaining to do.
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2004-01-29 07:04 [#01053277]
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if it has more than one song i consider anything an album sorry to dissapoint you *goes crying to his room from low self esteem*
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-29 12:01 [#01053551]
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I find it incomplete and bare and sketchy sounding. maybe that was on purpose, but I don't like some of the tracks because of this.
I like Confield a lot more.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-01-29 12:03 [#01053553]
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i never could get into confield but draft 7.30 grabbed me in my special parts straight away. i don't really listen to either of them much lately though.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-29 12:08 [#01053559]
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If you listen to confield, autechre have uploaded blueprints for draft 7.30 in your head. This means that even though you may well not enjoy confield on your first listen, you will have the schematics for draft 7.30 inside you so it will seem natural to you. The confield schematics can also be used to access confield but it is more difficult. It takes longer.
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CORTEX
from Canada on 2004-01-30 17:09 [#01055393]
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this is oretty much the album i was waiting for. the only mistake on it is surripere. great track on first listens, but is now a regular 'skipper'.
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AlbertoBalsalm
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-01-30 17:11 [#01055397]
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autechre...meh
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nacmat
on 2007-02-14 12:52 [#02050107]
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gold
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2007-02-14 13:33 [#02050138]
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so you're the culprit behind cx
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datautel
from hardcore (Russia) on 2007-02-14 17:45 [#02050223]
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last track is brilliant
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2007-02-15 17:30 [#02050808]
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Autechre are great for bringing sound sculpture type experimental music and post-industrial type stuff to the 'electronica' scene. It is a hybrid that really works, for the most part. My only criticism is that they have drifted away from some of the lush melodic leads and harmonies they used to use a lot more in favor of hamonic elements that are more subdued and abstract. I like those too, but wouldn't mind some of those classic melodies worked in a little bit here and there.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2007-02-15 17:41 [#02050816]
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you fucking fuck. fuck you you fuck. fucker.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2007-02-15 17:45 [#02050817]
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:)
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2007-02-15 17:57 [#02050822]
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i look at this album as a more mature and developed version of the direction they took on Confield. I also consider it the best autechre album. Chiastic slide and tri repeate are historically important albums for me but i always can find a time to listen to draft.
imagine my horror when i heard the followup :( . It think it has a lot of variation and extremely interesting sound design. Like a lot of people in here though i think the best theoretical AE album would result in an LP length of Gantz graf with more songs to make a full disc
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2007-02-15 18:42 [#02050827]
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Well here is the deal with Untilted you have to keep in mind while listening to it. It is an album made using hardware rigs rather than a computer platform. From what I have heard they used all drum machines, hardware synths and sequencers, modular systems etc to make this CD. You can hear that when you listen to it, but I can see how someone who didn't know or isn't used to that sound might raise an eyebrow at it. It reminds me a lot of Not Breathing, who also uses a lot of hardware rigs and actually does a sort of 'improv' real time sequence triggering.
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NewSkoolScience
from Outer Bongolia on 2007-03-10 09:01 [#02060607]
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I don't think that's actually correct.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2007-03-10 09:03 [#02060608]
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it's good
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cx
from Norway on 2007-03-10 09:07 [#02060609]
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it has a lot of good moments
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-11 03:09 [#02060767]
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Gonna get the vinyl next month at my local record fair.
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2007-03-11 04:19 [#02060785]
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Some tracks drive me crazy, fuking great album.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-11 09:24 [#02060842]
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either this or Confield is their "harshest" album in my mind.
but i still like both. v-proc is my fav plus.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-17 12:36 [#02063296]
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hehe, great album, bought it about 3 hours ago.
thing is: does anyone know if the vinyl has been pressed slightly faster than any other versions? it's most probably my turntable being shit but it sounds better this way lol.
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2007-03-17 12:39 [#02063297]
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"Well here is the deal with Untilted you have to keep in mind
while listening to it. It is an album made using hardware rigs rather than a computer platform. From what I have heard they used all drum machines, hardware synths and sequencers, modular systems etc to make this CD"
I have kept this in mind many times while listening to Untilted, and to be perfectly honest id rather them not try to imitate the Draft or confield sound with Elektron machinedrums Nord Leads and Monomachines.
The live show recordings from 2005 are a perfect example of how to make great music with the equipment you mention. The actual album Untilted is an example of not-so-good music you can make with the same equipment.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-17 12:44 [#02063301]
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I bloody love Untilted I do.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-03-17 13:04 [#02063305]
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Untilted was most likely Autechre's reaction to several things: Anuslord, a distanced interpretation of people's relationship with both tools and process, how these tools determine artistry, and how this influences the plethora of Sunday-morning bedroom producers that saturate and dumbdown the electronic music scene in general.
Imagine the grafitti kid who try's to one-up his peers by doing a mural in ball-point pen. It's kitsch and serves no purpose other than feebly attempting to prove a point.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-17 14:08 [#02063318]
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you';tre ovwer-imterpretinhg it. calm down. itsonly music.
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thatne
from United States on 2007-03-17 14:18 [#02063319]
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gl0tch i dont think bedroom producers can saturate and dumb down the scene i think theyre just doing what they do & im glad they are because some of them are very talented. but word gets around whos reliably talented and will make the best records, plus people know that the big names are always gonna do well. i just like the variety because it helps to learn as much possible about the music.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2007-03-17 14:34 [#02063321]
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you're so good at being wrong
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2007-03-17 14:35 [#02063322]
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untilted is hardly a different thing than their live set.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2007-03-17 14:37 [#02063324]
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compared to confield it's like a damn pop album
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-03-17 14:50 [#02063326]
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I wish I was Autechre, not because of the talent I'd have at my disposal, and the knowledge and committment to put together interesting and innovative works of art. No, I'd like to be Autechre because of the awesome fans they have. I'd like to find my inbox overflowing on a daily basis with hopeful young men sending me their thesis dealing with some idea of "cracking the code" of the last album, or telling me what influenced it or what it was a reaction against. Then I'd like them to revere me as a god, and send me bits of kit in the mail and CD-Rs of their own work which sounds like what a deaf person would make if you wrote down what someone else told you what their friend thought of Untilted as they skipped through the first few Flourescent Grey tracks he labeled Autechre in a desperate bid for attention, I mean to say, Situationist prank.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-03-17 14:50 [#02063327]
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hahaha, you couldnt be further off the mark.
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2007-03-17 14:54 [#02063328]
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"untilted is hardly a different thing than their live set."
huh? what live set have you heard? the one im listening to sounds at least 80% different from the album. It has almost a constant tempo the whole time and very dancey in comparison to any of the tracks on untilted.
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2007-03-17 14:56 [#02063329]
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dog_belch,
you spelled fluorescent wrong
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-03-17 14:57 [#02063330]
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It's because I hate him, I don't want to give him any more publicity.
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jackeroffer
from Aruba on 2007-03-17 15:04 [#02063333]
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dogbelch you like draft?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2007-03-17 15:10 [#02063334]
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Sorry, I know this is a thread for "Draft" and not for my pet peeves.
I do like Draft, I like pretty much everything by Autechre. I'm sorry if that upsets anyone. I used to hark back always to Incunabula and Amber, even Tri-Repetae, but I learned to love them all, for their foibles, ambition, atmosphere, for not resting on their laurals, and that the music is good.
For me it took an appreciation of "Untitled" to be able to go back and appreciate more Draft and Confield. So, I don't know. Well done Ae, you really are good at whatever it is you do.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-18 02:12 [#02063470]
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Untilted is what really got me into Ae so I'll always love it for that.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2007-03-18 03:12 [#02063474]
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That's great, but this is the Draft 7.30 thread, NOT the Untilted thread.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-03-18 03:55 [#02063480]
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ok, ok, BTW Draft sounds great at 45.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-03-18 04:18 [#02063483]
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I enjoy Draft quite a bit. While Confield still remains my top choice, this could easily be my second. Surripere jams so hard when it starts to get sliced up... can't get enough of it.
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johnny_b_good
from phoenix (United States) on 2007-03-18 20:33 [#02063766]
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I have listened to AE for a long time..... I dont think they come out with a great full lenght album since confield.......
track or 2 here and there are good but not the whole thing
I feel like they have been dumbing it down...anybody feel the same way??
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-03-18 20:50 [#02063770]
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i dont think theyve been dumbing it down. its changed radically, but , even on a song-to-song basis it changes radically
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johnny_b_good
from phoenix (United States) on 2007-03-18 21:07 [#02063772]
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i guess dumbing it down is a bad statement for what i ment.....I think the music has gotten more basic sounding....I felt over the years it was getting more complex and irratic untill it reached a peak at confield...then started to sound more basic
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-03-18 21:31 [#02063776]
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i guess if youre considering just the sequencing and not the dimeanor of the CD's , then untilted for example may seem more basic than confield. it's still completely out-there though...
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2007-03-18 21:34 [#02063777]
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i think sim gishel is more 'basic' than nine from amber
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2007-03-18 23:12 [#02063784]
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half of it is treatments of tracks that appear on untilted (fermium, lcc, pro radii all appear in the set in some form), it''s just formatted as a live set rather than a studio album.
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