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             from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:20 [#01050111]
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 I was wondering: does anyone not from holland heard of  this?   
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
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you mean the genre?
 
  
         
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           BlatantEcho
             from All over (United States) on 2004-01-26 19:23 [#01050119]
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             from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:24 [#01050120]
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can you descripe the genre?
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
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hmm, it's been disussed quite a lot here...it's excellent  stuff to listen at a gig, great to get wild to. crazy beats,  noise, and as fast as possible...i think this pretty much  sums it up.
 
  hmm, on the other hand, im not sure...is gabba and gabber  same thing? 
 
  
         
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           acrid milk hall
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id say gabba+gabber were the same.
  i have heard of it.
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           acrid milk hall
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usually 190bm absolute minimum
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
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aphex likes to play some in his sets...pretty mental stuff
 
  
         
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             from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:33 [#01050139]
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what does gabba mean? "gabber" is something like "good  friend" in dutch  
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
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not sure what it means...if anything at all.
  anyway if you're up for some "mellow" gabber (not sure if  it's gabber at all, i think it could be) check hellfish &  producer, great stuff! 
 
  
         
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i love hellfish and producer: they use indeed some old  gabber, but they really fucked it up 
 
  
         
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           deepspace9mm
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Gabber is genius if done right... funniest record ever =  abba gabba by riot nation. Vsnares borders on gabber  sometimes imo. 
 
  
         
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           roygbivcore
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yeah dude making orange things is awesome if you want the  hardest fucking gabber shit ever 
 
  
         
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           REFLEX
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oh yeah man ive listening to a lot of gabber, its great if  its done properly like deedspace9mm said..... 
 
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           princo
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Gabber is awesome stuff. but making orange things is awesome  if you want the 2nd hardest fucking gabber shit ever! 
 
 
 
  
         
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           uviol
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Gabber is great! kid 606 baybee! and delta9.  but mainly 606.  holy shit!
  overdriven bass drums to the max! Gabber might be a bit mindless but it kicks some major arse.   Some artists have done a good job of turning the genre into  quite an art though.  There's nothing like a complex,  perfectly executed rush of double 909 low-end joy. 
 
  
         
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           Aesthetics
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I did listened to it a lot about 10 years ago, never went to  those rave's tho, because I was too young.
  for the ones that are interessted in gabber check out the  song "Jones & Stephenson - First Rebirth" this song got me  into Gabber it is really a good song!
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           mappatazee
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Is there a difference between 'gabba' and 'gabber'?
  I know it's pretty much like Making Orange Things, but I  haven't heard much else.  I heard that it got a bad  reputation by being popular with Neo-Nazis in Germany in the  early 90's. 
 
  
         
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and is 'ragga' like 'reggae + gabba'?
 
  
         
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           DeadEight
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i've heard some gabber, where all it was was just a fast  bass beat for the entire time during an hour long mix set...  and i would keep tuning back in to see if any snares had  surfaced yet... but no...
 
  but see people say that certain afx and snares is gabber...  but they would never just have a bass beat... this confuses  me.... 
 
  
         
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           uviol
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When folks say VSnares is gabber, I think they mean more  like, it's gabber-influenced, or has gabber elements.  I say  this because I often think the same thing about certain  artists who really have other elements instead of making  purist gabber .. which believe it or not, *can* get a bit  old.  VSnares is a good example because he, like kid 606, is  also referred to as breakcore, IDM, drill n' bass, glitch,  etc. by various folks depending on their own musical taste  and background. 
 
  
         
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           azatoth233
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gabber is so fucking retarded...coked up speed-heads jumping  to that shit....no thanks 
 
  
         
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           azatoth233
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           KEYFUMBLER
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gabba highlights for me:
  * RDJ Sonar 2001 - gets into about 30 mins of gabba bliss  after his jungle/breakbeat intro. A killah! Using Whitehouse  scream over it is pure genious "GET AWAY FROM ME.  STANDBACK.NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
 
  * DJ Hellfish sonar2003 - he handed out records and i got  one... 2 hours of the best in gabba with great video of him  mixing it up. He is damn good.
 
  * Some DJ in a club in dublin played Jimmy Hendrix "Star  Spangled banner" over gabba once and i nearly wet myself as  it was during anti-war demostrations and it was the perfect  anthem to the war-is-hell vibe.
 
  *Russel Hassel ATP03 - fucking mental IDM gabba shit
  * VSnares ATP03 - defo some elements of gabba there. The  only time i heard his stuff  ever - can u believe that? I'm  kind of savouring the prospect of grabbing an album one  day!
 
 
 
  
         
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           ecnadniarb
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Gabber was unlucky in that it managed to get itself a shitty  image aligned with neo nazi's, from what I could see, for  nothing more than the whole style of completely shaved  heads.
 
  Even the word Gabber is ancient Jewish for Peace, which  would be a pretty fucking stupid word to choose for a nazi  music movement.  I used to listen to the stuff on Mokum and  Chrome and a few other lables about 8 years ago. 
 
  
         
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           Key_Secret
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Gabber is genius if done right... funniest record ever =  abba gabba by riot nation. Vsnares borders on gabber  sometimes imo. 
 
  yeah I agree... I own a lot of gabber (all kinds of styles)  but "Abba Gabba" (released on Mokum) is the only  gabbber-vinyl I own (sadly)! the rest are CDs of course...
 
  I really agree with that gabber can be awesome when done  right, and at the same time when not done right, it can just  feel very uninspireing.
 
 
 
  
         
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           Jarworski
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Fuck, it's all I used to listen to in the mid nineties on  drugs. 
 
  
         
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any of uses heard any uk gabba "Caustic Visions" stuff  as recommended by autechre at  http://www.toazted.com/download.php?mp3=autechre.mp3
 
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seems that only the dutch know the answer to my question; "  gabber"  was a culture movement existing in rotterdam and  later on it became a hype in the netherlands, about twelf to  thirtheen ago. i asked this question to see if foreign  people had heard about it back then, the culture stood for "  hardcore" " techno" "wearing australian jackets and being  bold headed and using a lot of hardcore dope....i guess it's  dead now.....gabba is something else but gabba contains  indeed a lot of old gabber samples...... 
 
  
         
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           Skink
             from A cesspool in eden on 2004-01-27 11:31 [#01050891]
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What the fuck is with the spelling gabber, It's GABBA and it  always has been!
 
  Anyway yes, some of it is good!
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           Key_Secret
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gabba is something else but gabba contains indeed a lot  of old gabber samples...... 
 
  what are you talking about? It's the same thing.
 
  
         
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             from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-27 13:00 [#01051027]
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key secret:  if you had read the whole message you would  have understand what i was talking about  
 
  
         
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           X-tomatic
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"Gabber is ancient Jewish for Peace"
  could be but it still officially comes from the dutch word  gabber which means "buddy" or "mate". In the Netherlands  it's mostly violent angsty retarded youths with nazi  sympathies who dig this shit that I won't even label music.
 
  "gabber is so fucking retarded...coked up speed-heads  jumping
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           Monoid
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           Quino Strider
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Gabber and gabba are the same when it comes to the genre.  Gabber is how the Dutch pronounce it. Gabba is how people in  the UK or the States named it.
  Anyway, it mostly suck. I mean, the real ''gabba'' is  usually cheesy stuff build on samples from pop songs. A lot  of the Dutch productions are like this. I think gabba range  from about 190 to 210 when it comes to the bpm. After that  it's pretty much speedcore or terror. What Hellfish and  Producer do is awesome, but you can't compare it to the  usual gabba stuff. I mean, H & P are above that by far.  Check out stuff from  Rotterdam Terror Corps, Neophyte or  from the Masters Of Hardcore label. It's all fucking  retarded what these guys do.
 
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           Aesthetics
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and there is also a difference of the gabber that came out  in the beginning and the gabber that was released in "the  end" it became harder and faster and after thunderdome 14 I  quit ;) 
 
  
         
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i agree, and i see you really know what gabber was all  about: where you from? 
 
  
         
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           Aesthetics
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           snAre
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Totally agree!
  Gabber is so lame... it takes like eum... maybe 5 minutes to  make a gabber song
 
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           Aesthetics
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"Gabber is ancient Jewish for Peace"
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           snAre
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Jones and Stephenson - First Rebirth, are you serious!?
  1. Do you really think that I'm gonna waste my time making a  Booooonzzzzaaaiii track?
  2. Why Jones & Stephenson, it doesn't even come close to gabber! That's (hard)trance if you ask  me!
 
 
 
  
         
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           ISayNothing
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"gabba, gabba hey!"? wait..no, that's ramones... i remember some old song on a happy hardcore-record or  somthing, named gabba-something(oh, my poor memory.) 
 
  
         
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           ecnadniarb
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Before Hebrew the Jews spoke a form of Greek known as  Judeo-Greek, it still exists now.
 
  As for Gabba being easy to make, it falls into the same  arguement as dance music...loads of people say it is easy to  make but try doing it and it is a different story.  Good  music of any kind requires talent and a feel for the style. 
 
  
         
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           Quino Strider
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Can someone please explain the link between gabba and The  First Rebirth?
  First, it isn't a gabba track and second, it sucks like  hell. But all the gabba's love it. Hahaha, those silly  asses, thinking it has something to do with gabba.  
 
  
         
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           snAre
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           KEYFUMBLER
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so none of you gabba or autechre freaks have heard of  Caustic Visions - UK gabba as recomended by Ae in that 
  mp3 interview at  http://www.toazted.com/download.php?mp3=autechre.mp3
 
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