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offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:20 [#01050111]
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I was wondering: does anyone not from holland heard of
this?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-01-26 19:21 [#01050114]
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you mean the genre?


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:22 [#01050115]
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yes


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2004-01-26 19:23 [#01050119]
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negative


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:24 [#01050120]
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can you descripe the genre?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-01-26 19:28 [#01050130]
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hmm, it's been disussed quite a lot here...it's excellent
stuff to listen at a gig, great to get wild to. crazy beats,
noise, and as fast as possible...i think this pretty much
sums it up.

hmm, on the other hand, im not sure...is gabba and gabber
same thing?


 

offline acrid milk hall from United Kingdom on 2004-01-26 19:29 [#01050133]
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id say gabba+gabber were the same.

i have heard of it.

description.. hmm.. speed is of the essence?


 

offline acrid milk hall from United Kingdom on 2004-01-26 19:31 [#01050135]
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usually 190bm absolute minimum


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-01-26 19:32 [#01050137]
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aphex likes to play some in his sets...pretty mental stuff


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:33 [#01050139]
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what does gabba mean? "gabber" is something like "good
friend" in dutch


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-01-26 19:41 [#01050155]
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not sure what it means...if anything at all.

anyway if you're up for some "mellow" gabber (not sure if
it's gabber at all, i think it could be) check hellfish &
producer, great stuff!


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-26 19:42 [#01050158]
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i love hellfish and producer: they use indeed some old
gabber, but they really fucked it up


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-01-26 19:46 [#01050164]
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Gabber is genius if done right... funniest record ever =
abba gabba by riot nation. Vsnares borders on gabber
sometimes imo.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-01-26 19:47 [#01050167]
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yeah dude making orange things is awesome if you want the
hardest fucking gabber shit ever


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2004-01-26 19:55 [#01050173]
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oh yeah man ive listening to a lot of gabber, its great if
its done properly like deedspace9mm said.....

anyone heard that song GABBER BITCH? its hilarious.


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2004-01-26 20:08 [#01050182]
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Gabber is awesome stuff. but making orange things is awesome
if you want the 2nd hardest fucking gabber shit ever!



 

offline uviol from United States on 2004-01-26 21:30 [#01050200]
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Gabber is great!
kid 606 baybee!
and delta9. but mainly 606. holy shit!

overdriven bass drums to the max!
Gabber might be a bit mindless but it kicks some major arse.
Some artists have done a good job of turning the genre into
quite an art though. There's nothing like a complex,
perfectly executed rush of double 909 low-end joy.


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-01-27 00:23 [#01050278]
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I did listened to it a lot about 10 years ago, never went to
those rave's tho, because I was too young.
for the ones that are interessted in gabber check out the
song "Jones & Stephenson - First Rebirth" this song got me
into Gabber it is really a good song!
it sounds a bit like fast Orbital :)


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-01-27 00:26 [#01050280]
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Is there a difference between 'gabba' and 'gabber'?

I know it's pretty much like Making Orange Things, but I
haven't heard much else. I heard that it got a bad
reputation by being popular with Neo-Nazis in Germany in the
early 90's.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-01-27 00:29 [#01050282]
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and is 'ragga' like 'reggae + gabba'?


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-01-27 01:05 [#01050302]
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i've heard some gabber, where all it was was just a fast
bass beat for the entire time during an hour long mix set...
and i would keep tuning back in to see if any snares had
surfaced yet... but no...

but see people say that certain afx and snares is gabber...
but they would never just have a bass beat... this confuses
me....


 

offline uviol from United States on 2004-01-27 01:19 [#01050314]
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When folks say VSnares is gabber, I think they mean more
like, it's gabber-influenced, or has gabber elements. I say
this because I often think the same thing about certain
artists who really have other elements instead of making
purist gabber .. which believe it or not, *can* get a bit
old. VSnares is a good example because he, like kid 606, is
also referred to as breakcore, IDM, drill n' bass, glitch,
etc. by various folks depending on their own musical taste
and background.


 

offline azatoth233 from tku (Finland) on 2004-01-27 02:15 [#01050334]
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gabber is so fucking retarded...coked up speed-heads jumping
to that shit....no thanks


 

offline azatoth233 from tku (Finland) on 2004-01-27 02:18 [#01050335]
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ragga is related to dancehall...and it electronic instead of
a live band...or something..but its not reggea+gabba...


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2004-01-27 02:53 [#01050353]
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gabba highlights for me:

* RDJ Sonar 2001 - gets into about 30 mins of gabba bliss
after his jungle/breakbeat intro. A killah! Using Whitehouse
scream over it is pure genious "GET AWAY FROM ME.
STANDBACK.NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

* DJ Hellfish sonar2003 - he handed out records and i got
one... 2 hours of the best in gabba with great video of him
mixing it up. He is damn good.

* Some DJ in a club in dublin played Jimmy Hendrix "Star
Spangled banner" over gabba once and i nearly wet myself as
it was during anti-war demostrations and it was the perfect
anthem to the war-is-hell vibe.

*Russel Hassel ATP03 - fucking mental IDM gabba shit

* VSnares ATP03 - defo some elements of gabba there. The
only time i heard his stuff ever - can u believe that? I'm
kind of savouring the prospect of grabbing an album one
day!



 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-01-27 05:25 [#01050441]
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Gabber was unlucky in that it managed to get itself a shitty
image aligned with neo nazi's, from what I could see, for
nothing more than the whole style of completely shaved
heads.

Even the word Gabber is ancient Jewish for Peace, which
would be a pretty fucking stupid word to choose for a nazi
music movement. I used to listen to the stuff on Mokum and
Chrome and a few other lables about 8 years ago.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-01-27 07:41 [#01050596]
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Gabber is genius if done right... funniest record ever =
abba gabba by riot nation. Vsnares borders on gabber
sometimes imo.


yeah I agree... I own a lot of gabber (all kinds of styles)
but "Abba Gabba" (released on Mokum) is the only
gabbber-vinyl I own (sadly)! the rest are CDs of course...

I really agree with that gabber can be awesome when done
right, and at the same time when not done right, it can just
feel very uninspireing.



 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2004-01-27 07:42 [#01050598]
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Fuck, it's all I used to listen to in the mid nineties on
drugs.


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2004-01-27 07:47 [#01050605]
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any of uses heard any uk gabba
"Caustic Visions" stuff as recommended by autechre at
http://www.toazted.com/download.php?mp3=autechre.mp3

?sounds fucking intriguing!



 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-27 10:00 [#01050737]
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seems that only the dutch know the answer to my question; "
gabber" was a culture movement existing in rotterdam and
later on it became a hype in the netherlands, about twelf to
thirtheen ago. i asked this question to see if foreign
people had heard about it back then, the culture stood for "
hardcore" " techno" "wearing australian jackets and being
bold headed and using a lot of hardcore dope....i guess it's
dead now.....gabba is something else but gabba contains
indeed a lot of old gabber samples......


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2004-01-27 11:31 [#01050891]
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What the fuck is with the spelling gabber, It's GABBA and it
always has been!

Anyway yes, some of it is good!

: )


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-01-27 11:43 [#01050910]
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gabba is something else but gabba contains indeed a lot
of old gabber samples......


what are you talking about?
It's the same thing.


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-27 13:00 [#01051027]
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key secret: if you had read the whole message you would
have understand what i was talking about


 

offline X-tomatic from ze war room on 2004-01-27 14:06 [#01051073]
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"Gabber is ancient Jewish for Peace"

could be but it still officially comes from the dutch word
gabber which means "buddy" or "mate". In the Netherlands
it's mostly violent angsty retarded youths with nazi
sympathies who dig this shit that I won't even label music.

"gabber is so fucking retarded...coked up speed-heads
jumping
to that shit....no thanks
"

true.



 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2004-01-27 14:13 [#01051085]
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I hate gabba....most of it is cheesy


 

offline Quino Strider from Buenaventura on 2004-01-27 16:43 [#01051319]
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Gabber and gabba are the same when it comes to the genre.
Gabber is how the Dutch pronounce it. Gabba is how people in
the UK or the States named it.
Anyway, it mostly suck. I mean, the real ''gabba'' is
usually cheesy stuff build on samples from pop songs. A lot
of the Dutch productions are like this. I think gabba range
from about 190 to 210 when it comes to the bpm. After that
it's pretty much speedcore or terror. What Hellfish and
Producer do is awesome, but you can't compare it to the
usual gabba stuff. I mean, H & P are above that by far.
Check out stuff from Rotterdam Terror Corps, Neophyte or
from the Masters Of Hardcore label. It's all fucking
retarded what these guys do.

I'm with Monoid. Most of it is cheesy, very cheesy.


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-01-27 17:17 [#01051352]
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and there is also a difference of the gabber that came out
in the beginning and the gabber that was released in "the
end" it became harder and faster and after thunderdome 14 I
quit ;)


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-27 18:21 [#01051395]
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i agree, and i see you really know what gabber was all
about: where you from?


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-01-27 18:22 [#01051396]
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thunderdome 12 was for me the end of it ;p


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-01-28 04:37 [#01051804]
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a guy from up north


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-01-28 04:41 [#01051807]
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Fuck'em all by DJ Dano(?) was a classic though.


 

offline snAre from .oO Ghent Oo. (Belgium) on 2004-01-28 05:51 [#01051866]
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Totally agree!

Gabber is so lame... it takes like eum... maybe 5 minutes to
make a gabber song

oh wait... I think I can do it in 4min :-)


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-01-28 07:35 [#01051964]
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ok I dare you to make a song like Jones & Stephenson - First
Rebirth and show us your skills


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-01-28 07:45 [#01051980]
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"Gabber is ancient Jewish for Peace"

woah! jewish is a language?!


 

offline snAre from .oO Ghent Oo. (Belgium) on 2004-01-28 08:08 [#01052008]
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Jones and Stephenson - First Rebirth,
are you serious!?

1. Do you really think that I'm gonna waste my time making a
Booooonzzzzaaaiii track?
2. Why Jones & Stephenson, it doesn't
even come close to gabber! That's (hard)trance if you ask
me!



 

offline ISayNothing from Mt. Pus (Sweden) on 2004-01-28 08:16 [#01052012]
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"gabba, gabba hey!"? wait..no, that's ramones...
i remember some old song on a happy hardcore-record or
somthing, named gabba-something(oh, my poor memory.)


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-01-28 09:00 [#01052045]
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Before Hebrew the Jews spoke a form of Greek known as
Judeo-Greek, it still exists now.

As for Gabba being easy to make, it falls into the same
arguement as dance music...loads of people say it is easy to
make but try doing it and it is a different story. Good
music of any kind requires talent and a feel for the style.


 

offline Quino Strider from Buenaventura on 2004-01-28 09:00 [#01052046]
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Can someone please explain the link between gabba and The
First Rebirth?
First, it isn't a gabba track and second, it sucks like
hell. But all the gabba's love it. Hahaha, those silly
asses, thinking it has something to do with gabba.


 

offline snAre from .oO Ghent Oo. (Belgium) on 2004-01-28 09:15 [#01052062]
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Still searching for that link myself... :-)



 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2004-01-28 09:25 [#01052090]
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so none of you gabba or autechre freaks have heard of
Caustic Visions - UK gabba as recomended by Ae in that
mp3 interview at
http://www.toazted.com/download.php?mp3=autechre.mp3

An intriguing prospect of finding, no?
(yes)


 


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