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Growth from Growth on 2001-12-11 11:27 [#00059758] | |||||||||
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After a couple of years listening to a certain kind of music (i´m not going to label it, cause i can´t and it´s stupid), i just feel that i know more than "normal" people listening to "normal" music. It´s like a growth of the musical IQ. This kind of music is so far ahead from everything else, that you can´t even compare it to something else, or argue against it. Am i right, incredibly stupid, or just plain stoned? |
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PostModernVancouver from Downtown Vancouver on 2001-12-11 12:49 [#00059781] | |||||||||
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totally agreed there, even though it sounds highly elitist and biased. This music affects the brain very differently then the normal sounding musics. |
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doki from grmny on 2001-12-11 13:03 [#00059784] | |||||||||
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... and it´s always an advantage because you force your ear/mind to listen and connect to sounds that are often never heard before ... in electronic music people invent new forms of sounds like the painters round the end of the 19th century invented totally new, never before seen colours! |
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Mutant Death Pengwin from Medicine Hat on 2001-12-11 15:30 [#00059832] | |||||||||
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electronic music is very diverse. i feel smarter than the people who listen to pop and alternitive. i feel smarter because i know the real dedication is in electronic music. the makers of electronic music have alot more intesity and emotion in their music, and its not cliched, yet. i personly feel that an electronic artist is alot more skilled than the pop artists. in the pop art the 'artists' just sings and dances(which they take lessons for) and the real talent is behind the scenes making the music, writing songs, chorographing and setting up the ginormous stages and sets. thats just my opinion though. it makes mad when britney spears wrote 3 songs on her new album (more than any other album of hers, she said so in an interview with the calgary sun). 3 songs! and none of them were hits. and pop music is all about commercialism, which i hate. i don't understand pop and alternative and how it is popular. they all sing the same shit and it is very cliched and has been for 30 years. love, break-ups, secret love, and money. i just don't get it. i think this post is gonna be long, sorry. i should of broke it into paragraphs. i like cookies. |
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doki from grmny on 2001-12-11 15:40 [#00059839] | |||||||||
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yeah, and the main difference to me is that electronic artists are PRODUCERS, not just playin´instruments (that should be no offense - it´s amazing if someone masters an instrument and that´s on the other hand something i often miss in the electronic scene!) or dancing or singing or wtf ... there are much more less (more-less? sorry ... you get what i mean ;-)) pop rock whatever people who also produce their stuff!! |
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shibumi from black ice on 2001-12-11 21:15 [#00060009] | |||||||||
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It seems to me that listening to electronic music doesn't necessarily make you "smarter." It just makes you able to think in different ways more efficiently. They've actually done studies, for example, where they've run rats in mazes and forced them to listen to Classical music in one group, and heavy metal rock in another. The group that listened to classical music tended to learn the patterns of the maze faster and recall the patterns better than either a control group or the heavy metal group. This is presumably because of the complex structuring of classical music. In the same fashion, it seems that listening to (good) electronic music could affect your brain in the same way. (I remember the first time I listened to Squarepusher, and it just was too fast and sounded like noise. Now, well, you understand what it REALLY sounds like). But to say you're "smarter" than people who listen to different music seems like a misnomer. Remember that for everything you gain you lose a little, and for everything you understand there are a hundred you don't. Just a thought. Shibumi |
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Gonzola from stockholm on 2001-12-11 21:27 [#00060012] | |||||||||
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this is a great topic i've also listened almost exclusively to electronic music the recent years, and often when i listen to rock and pop stuff i just feel this total lack of something...like the music is empty. i like some of it though, like cure, bowie, depeche mode new order... .PEACE |
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fuck these musicians on 2001-12-11 21:28 [#00060013] | |||||||||
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Growth, I agree completely with you up to a point, but I don't think it's just electronic music, I think it's anything that is made to be art, instead of to sell copies. That's why pop is crap. Whoever said all that stuff about pop on this thread is completely right. But electronic music is not the only thing out there. I would say that among every genre and sub-genre of music, there is an artist who is actually worth a damn. I instantly think jazz now, there is so much going on, but there is also shit jazz. All music is like this. I think Tool is an amazing band, one of the best that are around right now, but I think they are the only band with that hard metal sound that is worth listening. Because they mean it. Linkin Park? Limp Bizkit? Godsmack? Suck me. Hip-hop: Nelly? Juvenile? Bubba Sparks? Give me Jurassic 5 or the Roots. Pop sucks. Nearly all of it is worthless. Buy my new record. Send me more money. I definately feel smarter than people who just listen to what's popular, but I don't think the music I listen to made me that way. I think it's the other way around. |
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fuck these musicians on 2001-12-11 21:29 [#00060014] | |||||||||
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Mind if I ramble? |
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Monoid on 2001-12-11 21:59 [#00060027] | |||||||||
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Actually Iam a real dumbfuck, ya know Im not good at school...and I hatze....mathematics...n stuff, but I still like to listen to Autechre, Aphex, Kid606 and so on.......are dumb people allowed to listen to IDM ? Er..... |
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Ceri JC on 2001-12-12 00:08 [#00060052] | |||||||||
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Just because you're not good academically doesn't mean you're not bright. |
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Naphex-Male from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-12-12 00:40 [#00060066] | |||||||||
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I would have to agree, to a point, with the peeps who said that after listening to electronic music, everything else pales in comparison. I remedy this situation very easily. I don't listen to today's pop bullshit! I hate FM radio here in Vancouver...all this bullshit about "today's new rock"! New rock to them is anything that made a hit since 1990. So that includes bands like Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam, Days Of The New (argh!!!), The Offspring (oh god no!!!), all that shitty bubblegum hiphop, etc...you get the picture! I am even dead-tired of Radiohead believe it or not! HAHAHA! I am big on IDM or whatever...but my first love has to be 60's psychedelia and the following 70's craziness that created Glam rock! It is 2002 almost and ya I love Aphex, Autechre, Squarepusher, Bogdan Raczynski and others...but I get tired of it sometimes. So my big thing is that I always come back to Roxy Music, Bowie, T-Rex, mc5, Velvet Underground, and 70's-80's Punk or New Wave bands like The Stranglers, The Damned, Punishment of Luxury, Magazine, The Church, Depeche, OMD, Ultravox, Split Enz, XTC, The Residents, Wall of Voodoo, Athletico Spizz 80, Gary Numan, Devo etc......I am also always doing personal internet research for the music I missed out on in these categories. So ya....does anyone like The Strokes? |
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Loogie from UK on 2001-12-12 00:46 [#00060067] | |||||||||
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I agree. We are the elite. All them pop pickers are sheep buying the fashion music that all their peer sheep friends buy. Baaaaah to them ;) |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2001-12-12 00:47 [#00060069] | |||||||||
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I love IDM. There are really no barriers. You can do anything. I really want to start recording music like this, but I don't know where to start. It's a shame, I have all kinds of insane ideas floating through my head, and no way to channel them. I play guitar a lot, but I I'm outgrowing that. |
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Naphex-Male from Vancouver, Canada on 2001-12-12 00:56 [#00060071] | |||||||||
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The neck on my Univox Les Paul knockoff snapped the other day....right below the tuning pegs....it was leaning against the wall in it's soft case...it fell over...and I didn't check it out when i put it back upright. I went to play it a couple of days ago. I wanted to cry.... |
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John a.k.a. ASCHE from nY, USA on 2001-12-12 02:32 [#00060082] | |||||||||
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I agree with Growth on the first post totally. most other music just seems,um, blah Yeah, I play guitar too, but for x-mas I want to buy a synthesizer, a mixer and turntables, and hook everyhting up to my pc. I love electronic ever since i got into it about 5 yrs ago (12 yrs old) and I want to start making my own, i even have a friend ( the guy who got me into electronic) to work with me. Maybe one day you'll be posting on our message board, hahaha peace |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2001-12-12 02:37 [#00060084] | |||||||||
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I only got into IDM about 10 months ago. I'm a real newbie at it, but I'm falling in love with this crap! |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2001-12-12 03:08 [#00060095] | |||||||||
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"this is a great topic " ^ agreed. This is the most interesting thread I've seen on this board (whose threads seem less and less coherent each day) in a while. I agree with a lot of you guys' opinions. One thing I'd add is that I think one of the reason we like to think the music rises us above 'normal' music, is exactly that, because its not 'normal'. That is, we all kind of like diverting from the norm, and in that way, we become more intelligent in our tastes. Not by the genius of the music itself, but by our desire to stray from the accepted. That is what leads to the eternal question, one which I might make a thread about (although its been done before): "Would you want the whole world to love Aphex Twin?" think hard on the question before you say, nahhh, that would be whack... |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2001-12-12 03:18 [#00060104] | |||||||||
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yeah I've only been into this electronic music since, well, only since August I guess... but I'm already addicted... I find it way more exciting then traditional music, cause theirs only so much you can do with a guitar, bass, and drums... I find that electronic music opens your mind to different things... because you have to listen to it a certain way to enjoy it I guess, you have to appreciate certain things about it to enjoy it... like an ambient tune say, some people would say it's boring because it's just the same melody repeated over and over and over and over, but me, it's creating an atmosphere, and a feeling, and I just want it to repeat forever... I dunno, you definately have to have a different view on music to enjoy some of the "weirder" electronic music, and so I guess in a sense, you have to be more intelligent... |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2001-12-12 04:09 [#00060160] | |||||||||
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I wouldn't mind if the whole world loved Aphex Twin, I just wouldn't want it being worn out on the radio... the radio is what kills good music, and is why the music that isn't played much on the radio is a lot of peoples favorites... |
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Kigneto from France on 2001-12-12 06:29 [#00060195] | |||||||||
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Hi guys ! It is indeed a really interesting topic, and as I'm ancient in electronic music, I'm totally new in aphex twin, but i really enjoy it as well as other stuff like offspring (yes i'm sorry) I do think that e-music is special and like a cult or a sect, cause it is not popular and it is what we all search for but i think there is time for each music i listen, aphex to think and work, laurent granier to move and feel great and party, as offspring, linkin park, NIN or stuff like these to have fun and get drunk, don't be so close-minded as so much guys i know who listen to electronki music, i think it is great, but it doesn't makes u more intelligent or something like that, but it makes u special for sure, that why electronik music is so exciting ! i hope u'll understand what i mean, and what i wanted to tell, as my english is far from excellent... thx fot having such interesting topics. |
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Growth from internet on 2001-12-12 07:36 [#00060202] | |||||||||
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When i first got into electronic music, i was still listening to "instrument+song" music as well, but i soon realized that the emotional electronical tracks filled with euphoric, perfect sounding landscapes pleased me lots more than the "old" music. Nowadays i´m totally off the old shit and i am conviced this is where music going. There is no other way. |
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poe from the uk (school) on 2001-12-12 11:52 [#00060235] | |||||||||
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so what were the people in the 70's thinking when listening to kraftwerk etc? SHADDAP FOOL |
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Gonzola from stockholm on 2001-12-12 15:13 [#00060274] | |||||||||
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were kraftwerk pioneers or what? i listened to 'computerworld' the other day and i realized that the last 2 trax are pure techno...from 1980..damn good too. 'man machine' from '78 is great electronica too... |
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PhalanxGod from the Netherlands on 2001-12-12 16:07 [#00060278] | |||||||||
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Fluke got me into the electronic scene. Especially the songs Absurd and Goodnight Lover. Via Fluke I discovered Underword and via underworld Aphex Twin. I've heard a lot of songs from Aphex, but I'm still quite a newbie to IDM. I'd love to download stuff from Autechre and Squarepusher etc. but my 56K connection is too fucking slow. Anyone so kind to send me an MP3-CD full of their stuff for x-mas? Plz? |
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Scary Bear on 2001-12-12 16:46 [#00060288] | |||||||||
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I slept though a fire alarm. Thought it my laptop playing ventolin at night before it hibernates. I agree completely. I'm not up my own arse about it but I got pissed off trying to explain to this townie kid in my boarding house last night, he didn't understand how Richard had tracks that were personal, "How the fuck is he going to make it to MTV like that?"!!!! |
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Gonzola from stockholm on 2001-12-12 18:17 [#00060314] | |||||||||
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hehe |
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zetre on 2001-12-12 21:49 [#00060340] | |||||||||
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your replies are scary. |
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diddi from nl on 2001-12-13 01:59 [#00060391] | |||||||||
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I think there is a large group of people that isn't interested in music at all. Only when they're at a party and hear the weather girls they think that's good music. People that listen to the radio all day and not get annoyed by it. "Other" music is too difficult and far away (see the MTV-quote above). There are other people who do have some sort of taste and interest in not so regular music. But they use this "higher" taste to qualify other types of music as garbage (some classical music lovers maybe)(however classical music on the level of britney spears exists as well). Then there are people who are able to see that different music has different qualities for different ears. And, knowing this, listen to music that's got some sort intelligence in it (sorry for the expression). Does this make you smarter? Well, you gave it more thought than the people above, so you're probably smarter in this area. just my 2 eurocents |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2001-12-13 03:23 [#00060412] | |||||||||
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WOOHOO I'M FINISHED EXAMS!!!!!!! |
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Growth from Braintee on 2001-12-13 07:52 [#00060462] | |||||||||
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Yeah well, what kraftwerk started evolved into something larger, didnt it? It has definitely touched you too right? |
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Growth from Braintee on 2001-12-13 07:53 [#00060463] | |||||||||
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That was for "Poe" btw.. |
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Gonzola from stockholm on 2001-12-13 12:41 [#00060516] | |||||||||
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diddi, i totally agree |
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doki from grmny on 2001-12-13 14:18 [#00060543] | |||||||||
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congrats funkmaster!!! |
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mark on 2001-12-13 21:30 [#00060625] | |||||||||
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ummm this thread is kinda scary really. i wouldnt say that listening to a particular type of music would make you smarter, but possibly more alert. i consider myself a pretty smart guy and so do the tests ive taken, and i only can listen to so much of the "idm" music out there. if i want to make my mind buzz im more likely to put in a mahler symphony or something, but id never argue that it makes me smarter...what a gross thread. m |
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Ceri JC from My house in Pontypridd, Wales, UK on 2001-12-14 01:18 [#00060673] | |||||||||
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The best way to describe the feeling (and this is going to sound very conceited) you have once you have listened to IDM for a while is: In the matrix where they are showing neo the street (just after they see the lady in red) and they are walking along and everyone else is completely unaware. You are like neo. You are on the verge of understanding fully. You feel more "conscious" than other people. More alive. I have met only 2 other people in my lifetime who have this trait. Is this how other people feel. I apologise if I sound elitist or egotistical, but it is honestly the way I feel. Please understand, I don't feel more intelligent- I know I'm above average, but nothing special- I just feel more aware. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2001-12-14 02:05 [#00060681] | |||||||||
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the matrix, oh I love that movie!!! Ummm, I suppose I do feel more aware... yes, that's a better term then intelligent... I'm not more intelligent from listening to IDM and stuff, but maybe I'm a bit more aware from it... but who knows... |
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jasmine from minnesota on 2001-12-14 06:13 [#00060717] | |||||||||
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god save us from ceri and funkmaster. |
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GROWTH from GROWTH on 2001-12-14 07:35 [#00060736] | |||||||||
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CERI JC: THERE IT IS! THATS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. THE FUNNY THING WHEN YOU SAY THIS, WITH NEO AND EVERYTHING, IS,I`VE BEEN HAVING EXACTLY THE SAME THOUGHTS! THE FEELING IS JUST LIKE THAT. IT FEELS LIKE YOU CAN WATCH "NORMAL" PEOPLE GO ON WITH CRAP, AND YOU SLOWLY REALIZE STUFF THATS MORE IMPORTANT, AND SO ON. ALSO ONE THING I AM EXPERIENCING WITH ELECTRONIC MUSIC, IS THAT IT HAS BECOME VISUAL FOR ME. (YEAH,YEAH..ELITE..BIAS..WHATEVER..THIS IS ONLY HOW I FEEL, AND I KNOW OTHER HAVE THIS ABILITY AS WELL).. |
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Spanky Pentweeter from In da bowels of da oith on 2001-12-14 08:57 [#00060750] | |||||||||
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Stop wanking each other! I thought rock was dead too, many years ago - its all been done with instruments and all that - and it HAS!!! But it has now all been done electronically too........as there is nothing NEW anymore (last stab at it - Windowlicker IMHO) then its about how YOU feel deciding what YOU want to listen WHEN you want to listen to it From Diana Ross to AFX - its all valid, dont give me that brainy crap, tis about E M O T I O N |
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Ceri JC from My house in Pontypridd, Wales, UK on 2001-12-14 13:02 [#00060813] | |||||||||
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To the people who knocked me: I didn't say I was better or anything. I just told you how I *felt*. If you have a problem with how *I* feel you are the ones who are concieted. |
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dean on 2001-12-14 13:13 [#00060818] | |||||||||
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i have never wanted to shoot a group of people in my life but you buch of fuck wit arse bandits have just changed that . please tell me your all coke heads or on something cos then ill understand but if not, please will you all read your comments back to your selves and try telling me you all dont deserve to fuckin die. cunts |
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wizards teeth on 2001-12-14 13:22 [#00060821] | |||||||||
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"In the matrix where they are showing neo the street (just after they see the lady in red) and they are walking along and everyone else is completely unaware. You are like neo. You are on the verge of understanding fully. You feel more "conscious" than other people. More alive. I have met only 2 other people in my lifetime who have this trait. " gugh, hugh |
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Ceri JC from My house in Pontypridd, Wales, UK on 2001-12-14 14:20 [#00060829] | |||||||||
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Yes, I'm a coke head and I deserve to die for posting the thruth on a website. I agree completley, I re-read my posts and retract my comments completely. Thanks for pointing that out to me. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2001-12-14 16:03 [#00060843] | |||||||||
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yeah this is stupid... who cares... you listen to what you want, when you want... |
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Spanky Pentweeter from In da bowels of da oith on 2001-12-14 16:06 [#00060847] | |||||||||
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ANYONE GOT ANY CHAZ?? Kiss my turd spattered ASS Upside Down, boy your turning me...... GIS SOME'A THEM POPPERS YOU CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT wicked |
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Chrispy from UK on 2001-12-14 16:25 [#00060854] | |||||||||
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OMG. I havent really read alot of this thread till now. I cant belive how narrow minded you guys are. Talking about pop music as though it's dumb. People mass produce it to make large sums of money, true, but people dont buy it for fashion or mates! It HAS to sound good to them! Throw away tunes that, it turns out, some of you guys dont like. The producers and bands dont give a shit, the customers dont give a shit, everyones happy, except most of you guys! Rocks dead?!?!?! Yea. No one listens to elvis anymore... or The Beatles... I hope there are others that agree... I'm not typing any more |
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Chrispy from UK on 2001-12-14 16:27 [#00060858] | |||||||||
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... I am typing some more... IDM's a shit shit shit name that the same producers and critics for pop music have labled it... I love Aphex Twin as much as I love a nice bit of Pearl Jam... And thats quite a bit! |
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Gonzola from stockholm on 2001-12-14 16:55 [#00060883] | |||||||||
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ceri, i know the feeling. it's great |
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mark on 2001-12-14 20:53 [#00060959] | |||||||||
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woo hoo im neo! im a fucking genius! woo hoo! yippie! im that guy in pi too! and deacon frost from blade! woo hoo im a genius! my brain is buzzing! make the sounds stop! |
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