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Also, Beefheart didn't know much about music and was marginally tone deaf so he often whistled or hummed parts to the Magic Band and they turned them into songs. |
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disasemble, we're talking about taking pleasure in something. i'm not saying everyone is right, rather that when it comes to taking pleasure in something subjective, right and wrong do not apply. you seem to so desperately want to be able to say to people that like things that you do not, "you are wrong." this is aesthetics, malleable and changeable, not mathematics. people have spent years trying to find out what "quality" is. what a ridiculous, maddening snipe hunt! you believe that "good" music is made by "skilled" musicians, and has a clearly defined key, tempo, time signature, etc. some of us say, not necessarily. maybe taking pleasure in the shaggs is tugging at the thread that will unravel western civilization! |
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Weirdly, trout mask replica was the 1st thought i had in comparison to that shaggs song. It might be something to do with the polyrhythms i guess. I love mr van vliet. |
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i had a cd compilation with a track or two from most of captain beefheart's albums, sadly i have lost it, i think it was in a bag of cd's that was stolen a couple years ago. anyone remember neonmeatedream, from messageboards of old? he ran the tones'n'drones website. he made it for me... |
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"Inspiration is not the special property of the elite but can be found in everyone." - Jean Dubuffet |
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what? i said i was open to other peoples taste. i said i could understand why someone would like it. and im not trying to prove someones taste for music wrong. thats their choice, and i understand that completely. but to me, its a pile of crap, and at the time i felt like justifying it. but then everyone started to bring in the vaguness of personal taste and blah blah blah etc. im discussing what i think. and if i see something i think is wrong in accordenance to who i am, i dont see there any problem in trying to argue it. why settle for one extreme over the other? and since when did i say that good music is all music that follows theory? never. or was it implied? if it was, thats not true. back to my original thought, i dont like this group. i think the people who find pleasure in this group could find pleasure in thousands of people who dont know how to play "music". but as ive stated, i think the impact is important. so regardless of all the "potential artists", the shaggs have their place because they did have an impact. i just find it funny, is all. i didnt expect this to go into severe depths of interpretive thought. im disagreeing with you guys and agreeing at the same time, because there are many factors. and seeing that this is a message board, might as well talk about it right? i thought this was clear, but i guess it wasnt. |
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disas, i just meant to use theory as an obvious example. sorry if i misrepresented you. maybe i misunderstood your intent, from what you said, ""what is technical accuracy"?,etc. etc. you do realize when you ask these questions you set yourself up for 100 percent validity. hey man everyone is right! ITS ALL GOOD!" you seemed to be missing the point that validity is not objective, but a feature of the listener's experience. otherwise, you like it or you don't, of course. |
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i typed that for an example, it didnt necessarily follow what this thread was about, but the same sort of logic applies here, and i think its cheapening how people deal with things. i guess if someone enjoys cutting off peoples arms and legs we should let them, because they see it in a way we dont. of course music isnt as extreme as that, and not in all suggesting that we should hinder peoples musical tastes. and as accurate as that may be when dealing with interpretation and validity in ones music experience, using it as the basis of a discussion based on explaining your likingness towards something is apalling. people have stated why they liked the song here, and i respect that. ive also stated why i didnt like the song, and i hope they respect my side. but when this conversation started getting into justifying through interpretations--even though no matter what you say its right in terms of who you are--just didnt add up to me. i will admit i went overboard with my posts and i apologize if i crossed the line with people. |
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Haha yeah, The Shaggs are fucking great. Outsider music is good if I'm in the right mood. Not sure if anybody has mentioned this already, but Jandek is one of the best outsider artists, in my opinion. He's pretty much talentless when it comes to music, but his lyrics are prophetic and ominous. Coupled with the de-tuned guitar and poor recording techniques, and his breathy voice, his music makes for a severe mind-fuck. Creepy stuff. Langley Schools Music Project is a novelty. A cool one to listen to, but nothing terribly special. Having been raised on public music education for most of my elementary and high school years, I've listened to my fair share of children who can't play/sing. For a school recording though, it's pretty decent. Lucia Pamela is also pretty funny. She made an album called Into Outer Space, where she supposedly took a bunch of children to the moon and sang songs about it. The original recording came with a rad coloring book chronicling her trippy-as-fuck adventures on the moon. The enjoyment of outsider music is purely in the listening experience, and not in the recording itself. The Shaggs clearly had no talent, and the hippies who worship them as geniuses are just being stupid. But they're damn fun to listen to anyway. |
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"The enjoyment of outsider music is purely in the listening experience, and not in the recording itself. The Shaggs clearly had no talent, and the hippies who worship them as geniuses are just being stupid. But they're damn fun to listen to anyway. " now that, I'll accept. |
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was just about to say, that is completely fine with me. hell, i listen to music based on that. thumbs up |
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hehee i enjoyed that song muchly... good thread peopl thanks |
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I never said that one end of the spectrum was better than the other. again, I was just countering the "technical accuracy = all" idea. I still say, this idea of technical accuracy says next to nothing about the validity of any record, simply because all rating of music is based on human interpretation. there is no way to objectively rate music - so the whole technicality issue is not relevant. that is, unless the person playing means it to sound different and thus isn't playing what he should. |
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I love this, and I'll go on telling people about it until everyone agrees with me. There used to be a track from it up at otisfodder.com with the 365 days project, but it's over now, so now there isn't. |
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sorry qrter, soon as this whole interpretive nonsense came into play you lost my attention, disputing about it really held no ground because its obvious what you just said. so i say we just drop it here because everyone is right, ok? thats what itll end up as now, so might as well just go straight to it. i accept your view on it. |
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i listened to that shaggs song and i love it. |
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dude the shaggs make me physically ill |
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aquinas: That book I mentioned has chapters about The Shaggs, Jandek, Lucia Pamela, and tons others, and the author is one of the people who did the work to get the Langley Schools project released to the public. I think you'd probably enjoy the book :) |
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I love the langley schools, they give me those crazy neck-chills like bjork. Especially their versions of mandy, desperado and wildfire... phew. Jandek's cool too, i'd recommend site for more info on him. His album sleeves are almost better than his music in my opinion. |
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i find jandek unlistenable. or at least uninteresting and unpleasurable. i'm more of a shooby taylor kind of person. |
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