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Of course as a christian I believe that spiritual matters cannot be objectively tested, which is why one cannot prove God. Thank you for admitting that, and thereby reducing the reality of your god to the level of sasquatch, little green men, leprechauns and the chupacabra. spiritual blindness Now that just pisses me off. That phrase is the most ARROGANT thing I've ever heard. It's like my Mormon friend who says, ah, well, how do you describe the taste of salt to a man who's never tasted it? It's a great way to admit you've lost an argument - give up trying to present evidence, abandon reason and chant "IIIII know something YOUUUUU don't know..." |
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The observation about the universe would be this: Hey boys this whole universe business is pretty complex I sure don't think it got here by itself, what do you think made it? The tentative hypothesis: I have observed that the universe has these certain attributes, factoring that in, with my culture, my traditions, etc. I will now assign specific details to my God. or My God has actually revealed himself to me through special revelation .. I didn't eat any psychadelic mushrooms that day, you know I think it actually happened. Use the hypothesis to make predictions and test them: I believe that if I pray, do a dance or whatever my crops are going to grow this season .. does it happen? At what frequency does it happen? or My God spoke and said that this WILL happen .. of course the test here would be .. does it happen? This would determine whether one saw what he saw or had a bad piece of meat. |
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well, i must leave this discussion ***COUGHargumentCOUGH*** as i have other things to attend to. |
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Oh yay, one of these again. |
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I wish I knew how to bold, italicize, and all that neat stuff |
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your taste in avatars is impeccible as usual |
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my my, I like yours too. Is that the nubula, or maybe it was a supernova remnant where they watched the flash of light expand out through the gasses surrounding the star? |
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Hey boys this whole universe business is pretty complex I sure don't think it got here by itself, what do you think made it? Well now old Tex sure had asked the boys a poser. Clem frowned and scratched in the dirt with a stick, Buck stopped whittling and folded his knife, and idjit boy opened his mouth and closed it a few times. A fly buzzed in the garage window. Old Tex spat in the dust. Aw, I was just funnin' with you boys. Fact is, teleological explanations are not the most parsimonious ones and by the principle of Occam's Razor are entirely unjustified given the evidence at hand. |
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Don't act like you don't love old Tex. |
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It was a picture taken by Hubble, but I didn't read up on what it actually was, though. |
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Anyway I'm off to meet some friends. You all have a good evening. |
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Old Tex is great! "'Sides," Old Tex continued, "if complexity implies design, why doesn't that imply that something greater created the creator?" " 'cuz he's tuh tuh tuh TRANSCENDENT?!" ejaculated idjit boy. "Now idjit boy," chuckled Old Tex, ruffling idjit boy's greasy hair, "what have I told you about using them ten dollar words? Ya cain't just make that assertion, especially 'bout somethin' ya cain't know anything about." |
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science's leap of faith is trust our facets of perception... which, of course, are, and always will be limited, incomplete, etc. |
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ah lahk the way you tawk, fleetmouse |
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Hold on there now idjit boy, these are new pants, see. |
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if we can't trust our own perception though, what can we trust? oh yeah, invisible men in the sky. |
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nothing is nothing, but then nothing is something, but something that's nothing isn't. so i guess what where all saying is fuck the rules, try everything, and formulate your own opinion based on personal experience. o yeah and buddhism is cool cos he was a real guy. it's like praying to a saint. everyone knows they're already dead and can't actually do anything but an inspiration of hope due to a true historical account is never a bad thing. hows that work for ya? |
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If nothing were something, where would we put anything? |
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exactly? but even a vacuum has to have something around it for it to be nothing but a vacuum, and a vacuum is something. a low pressure area caused by lack of anything being in it. |
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Vacuum isn't empty - ever heard of ? |
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so that's what the tv snow is. |
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TV snow is the dandruff of substitute teachers. I thought everyone knew that. |
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quantum foam please, thats from the 60's, feynmann and such. it can be renormalized, then vacuum is empty. this notion revealed a very subtle problem in defining quantum field theory in the old days. it's still interesting from a mathematical viewpoint but as there is no quantized field theory of all observed particles the vacuum fluctuations are meaningless as they are supposed to cancel out - hopefully without the need of renormalization (which is kindof a dirty trick to assign meaning to an ill-defined theory) the reasons why one uses QFT is that it makes so many predictions that are so true - up to the tenth number behind the comma. you might want to read some of my instead this pseudo stuff :) |
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Dude, I think it takes a good twenty years or more before physics trickles down to the lay-person in terms they can understand. I can no more understand your work than a kangaroo rat can understand Descartes. |
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a problem of physics is that it is formulated in a certain way, it takes some time to learn that language (maths). as it is transcribed it gets altered and hence you encounter contradictions all the time ok, and sorry for lifting my nose to high |
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you did good kid |
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I think the physics theories the public latches onto are the ones that have the most vivid non-mathematical descriptions and analogies. Most people have forgotten or have never learned even calculus so you cannot communicate with them on that level. Is it frustrating for you to see how physics is portrayed in the mass media? |
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very much so |
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i took calculus and i STILL don't understand anything he said. |
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What he's talking about is to calculus as calculus is to counting on your fingers and toes. |
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in a way it is, certainly, if people ask me what i'm doing all day and i can't come up with a satisfying (for them) answer. and i got only two to three people to talk to as the whole lot of physicists is devided up into uncountable many subsections. what i'm doing now (supersymmetric solitons, haha) is done by approx. 100 people worldwide, twenty of them on my continent and three in the office next door. not that its so difficult, it's just one subject out of a million. i love mathematics and its application to physics, you see i'm viewing science as a process. it annoys me that i need to get definsive against people who view science basically as ideology. it's not an attitude against nature, it's an attitude against work, i do my work due to certain standards and alltogether - its a process. there is no 'commonly accepted' theory since this concept is ill-definded (until we have a theory that explains absolutely everything, but this again is not a consistent demand, wittgenstein, blabla) there are models, nothing more, and any educated worker knows how far these models are valid. the quantum foam thingy is a classic in extending a model beyond the point where it is valid. if it starts like this, and i know certain magazines do nothing else, then you can say absolutely anything, there is no more point to make. no science seems kindof high-brow (is that a word?) but its the same thing with religion - and i'm not talking abou the church. religion is not a fucking set of beliefs or prayers or jesus or whatever silly idea has been stomped into our brains. it's an attitude against life. it has to be choosen, 'right' and 'wrong' come only after this choice. then again fuck it, i'm tired. night |
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oh go back to worshipping your test tubes and electron microscopes HEATHEN and enjoy your stay in HELL!! |
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I think the whole bible should be read on a figurative level. I am amazed how many people still see the bible as non-fiction, as documentation of real occurences. |
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EVOLUTION is the fiction. animals adapt to an ever changing environment. most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. an all-powerful being saying we can't eat pork makes SO much more sense. |
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i am amazed at how many people still FAIL to see the bible as non-fiction, as documentation of real occurences. |
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you have to make your sarcasm obvious, like i did. |
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I think you should try to get funding to investigate funky quarks. Get up, get up, get down! HAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY! Uh! [that was a bad joke in case anyone is wondering... you know, up quarks, down quarks? Eh. Nevermind] |
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there is no sarcasm intended! :) |
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haha |
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oh dear. |
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oh well in that case... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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