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so i know work on music for about 1 year, and i came to the conclusion that i need some hardware synth, because i realised that the quality of vst synths is poor. i thought about some cheap synth or bassline, something i could make such "acid" sounds like for example in fat controler. what can you recommend me ? |
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maybe someone could send me links to sites with soem of these ? |
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you realy think that the VST so poor? why you saying that? |
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SH-101 is meant to be good. You can achieve half decent imitations of it using either vaz modular or Muon Tau Pro softsynths. |
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i mean you can't really get clear sounds out of them. the quality is worse. for example when you make a thecno song, where you have a hard drum and you need to lay a long bass synth on it, everything starts to fuck together. i worked with different programs and synths and it was always the same. hardware sounds much more clear i heard, but i can be wrong of course. |
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You are wrong of course. |
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i think i'll try and tell you afterwards |
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I have NEVER know a decent bass sound to come out of software... Although most VA's and sound modules are also pretty crap for bass sounds.. Yeah SH101 is good, but has a very distinctive, and quite limited, sound. Waldorf Pulse is a great buy - It's very affordable - Very versatile for bass sounds and wierd analog noises... The only complaint is that it uses DCO's rather than VCO's, so the sound isn't quite as pure or as fat sounding as something like a Pro One, or an SH101 for that matter, but the Pulse is a much more versatile synth... Plus, the Waldorf's got MIDI built in, so very conveinient. The Dave Smith Evolver doesn't actually sound too hot for bass sounds... Certainly not in the same league as the Pro One... The JX3P is a suprisingly good buy too - Very affordable and underrated - Good for smoother bass sounds - i.e. not so much industrial/techno edgey bass sounds or noises, more like a Juno, smoother deeper bass sounds. I use my JX more than my MC202 or Juno for bass sounds, but it takes some time to get the best out of it... I certainly want a Pro One right now for more techno type basses... I'd recommend a Waldorf Pulse - Such a bargain - Almost Moog quality, with a greater variety of sounds - And lots of professional sound banks online to download! |
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yeah I nearly bought a pulse, heard good things about them! got a basstation instead...which I was very happy with but i've sold it now |
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now that was the answer i was waiting for. !! thx very much swift !! |
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could someone send me samples of them ? swift could you ? i'll mail you later... |
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The king of bass sounds (windowlicker pluck bass) was rumored to be from an mks-80. So, there you go. Oh, hi Swift. |
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I use supercollider. I think it's the best software out there for sound. Very crisp and accurate sounding. The basses are good, too. Just an insane learning curve. |
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Hey - Yeah I'd love to have a go on Supercollider! Unfortunately I'm a PC'er at the moment! Here's a Waldorf Pulse review with a pretty basic real audio demo - Gives you a rough idea of the kind of sounds you can get out of it: http://www.vintagesynth.org/waldorf/pulse.shtml Such a great bargain! They really are a must have at the moment! Especially as they excel at the kinds of sounds software just can't touch - So a great compliment to synths like FM7 and Absynth. |
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Hardware? I think it is not necessary... There are several ways to make your bassline sound good. |
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Hardware? I think it is not necessary... There are several ways to make your bassline sound good. |
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Ideally you shouldn't "need" any processing to make something sound good... It's definetly best if you can nail it at the source... There's technical reasons why VA's and softsynths can't deal with bass frequencies atall well - That's why usually, if you're 100% software/digital based, we'll ask for you not to add much bass on your masters, and we add it with a nice old valve EQ. (work at a mastering studio) Just don't believe the crap Future Music and Computer Music go on about! It's all to do with their "sponsors" - A number of us have called them up personally because of the way they over-hype very mediocre gear, that also happens to be advertised in their pages very heavily. |
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dude, i only use hardware. yes, there's the aforementioned sh101 and i dont know why no one has mentioned the tb303. |
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Yeah I'm thinking of getting myself another 303 sometime - Used to have one back in the 90's... It's got a massively fat bass end actually - A lot of ppl are suprised when they hear the real thing 'cos the emulations always focus on getting the twiddly hardhouse acid line sound right, and don't bother with the bass end atall... Certainly, a real 303 doesn't really sound much like Rebirth atall. Daft Punk use the 303 as a bass machine a lot and you would never know it - They make it sound almost like a bass guitar. Only problem with the 303 is the second hand price at the moment, and the fact it's got a very generic sound... So you have to be 100% sure you want/need one to justify it... Also the sequencer is limited to a maximum of 16 steps (although you can chain a few sequences together), but it's not as much use as a Pulse for an allround bass module. Still, the Pulse doesn't quite sound as analog as something like a Pro One or a Moog Rogue - It's not got as much character as a vintage synth, but it's incredible value for money and got MIDI. |
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novation AStation |
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i just got a vintage Roland Juno 106. it has some phat, speaker-wrecking bass capabilities. it cost me about $350 on ebay. |
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thannks for the big feedback... have to check these all out... or maybe i change my mind to software ?? :D |
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pulse sounds really cool for me. a pity there's only one sound sample... |
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Yes, the Rogue Moog is an often overlooked one... I've been meaning to hear more of it after getting Mr. Oizo's album (it features heavily in his work). Can you recommend any artists/tracksthat use it? |
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i think novation have actually got a vsti version of the AStation out now too. maybe you could test that out, but then, trust me, hardware is much MUCH fatter. |
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that is just sooo not true.... you just need the right gear... take, for example, the Clavia Nord Modular... and build your own Waldorf/Moog/Juno etc etc.... ok, it uses the Nord processing boareds, but the signal path is generated in software... if you want bass... you just need to know how to create it *properly* |
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Correct redRummy! |
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What about soft SynFactory - you can create as many oscs as you want! This means damn fat sound! |
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Hey eVolume - I think I may be the guy who sold you that Juno. How's it working out for you? |
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