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Oh, there are some really good software gui's for controlling the mks. Plus, all controls can be automated with midi. Nice, aye? "looks around house for something to sell" |
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He he, I often do that (look for something to sell) to buy something expensive like this. Shame I've not got anything really valuable that I don't use all the time. I don't like getting further in debt for "luxury" items like synths etc. so I tend to postpone it... 6 months and I'll be back in work again :D |
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story of my life. Only thing worth anything is my g3 powerbook. I have missed many luxuries due to my obsession with electronic music. |
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http://home.hccnet.nl/mark.strijbos/mks80/software-tone.html |
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I'm selling my MT8X, 8-track cassette portastudio. I already have a buyer and I guess I'm lucky I do. This thing used to cost 13500 Swedish crowns in 1995, now I'm lucky if I get the 2500 I'm asking. Every caller so far, with the exception of this last guy said, "..But I can get a digital 4-track for 4000 crowns." I KNOW THAT! Fucking morons! They forget about the 10-channel mixer attached to this dinosaur. With the new digital 4-tracks you're lucky if you can plug in two instruments at a time. |
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I am so tempted to get an MKS right now! Although I've heard some ppl say the Jupiter 8 is much better for pads... Think the MKS's sound is somewhere between the JP6 & JP8... But having MIDI is a big bonus. Thing is... I really need some decent monosynth action at the moment... I've got a Juno, JX and CS-60 - So I'm pretty sorted polysynth wise - But not much for wierd noises and cutting bass sounds... So I'm either gonna go modular and get an Analog Systems, or maybe a Pro One or Octave CAT or something... And I also want another TB303 at the moment! Been talking to Woody McBride (acid god) lately over the net. But yeah, if I can get an MKS-80 cheap enough I will prolly sell my Juno. I love analog gear - I get so much of my inspiration from the synths I use. |
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They are useless if you can't sequence them. In my opinion. Get the mks... |
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"I love analog gear - I get so much of my inspiration from the synths I use." id say thats one of the biggest advantages of hardware... its just a different feeling using something that you can put your hands on |
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At the moment my MIDI-less synths get played and recorded live - Which is alright, but yeah, I would prefer MIDI as an option to be honest. |
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Yeah, I really felt it for the first time when I bought a 303 off one of my school friends back in the mid 90's... It was prolly the first proper analog I'd owned - Before that had just had a few samplers and modules... But yeah, it totally transformed me - Like when an alright guitarist buys themself a vintage Les Paul or something... It adds new dimensions to how you think about and perform music... The 303 was wierd - I actually felt kind of starstruck in its presense cos it was one of THE boxes which shaped modern music as we know it. And everything is just there in front of you - Very wierd feeling - Every acid-house track and beyond at your fingertips... You just don't get that using a GUI... Having the 303 actually changed the way I thought about electronic music permanently... Can't put a price on that... |
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and I think hardware just draws you in more... you want to play with it... so you use it more, and hence you learn it better |
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Definetly - A good example of this is compressors. I do quite a bit of studio work (quite well known in the UK punk scene).. But basically, every time you meet someone who uses plug-in compressors and EQ's they rarely know how to use them properly... Then I might go to a real cheap studio, with real cheap old DBX/Behringer compressors, and the guys just know them inside out... You go out and spend £90 on a cheap compressor and you just can't help messing with it! You try it on everything until you're an expert... The results are also quite a bit more audible in a strange way. |
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oh god, dont even get me started on compressors... the day we covered it in class, I was so embarrased at most of the peoples total lack of understanding |
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They thing with nobs on synths is that it's fun to come up with sounds, but you want to do precise sequencing of the filters and stuff too. |
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Yeah sometimes... But with synths like my CS-60, which has a really warm dischordant emotional quality, it's often nice to just record myself playing down to tape, then record it as audio later... I also tend to play Absynth live rather than sequence it - Then when I've got the audio I can cut it up and maybe work with it in a different way... But yeah, I'm thinking with a synth like the MKS-80, MIDI timing would be pretty useful... I certainly need my Juno playing exactly it time as it's good for more 'pointy' sounds on the whole. That's the only problem with analog synths though - You don't feel complete until you've built up a small army of them - Each is so perfectly tuned and specialised for a certain sound... There really is no jack-of-all-trade analog out there that I know of... I'd prolly say the MKS-80 is the closest. |
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damn, motherfucker, If you don't get one now. Especially if you have the money. Then send me some Samples. |
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I think it's the fact that it's so tangible makes you more inclined to play with it- not to mention the speed of programming for some things. Having the buttons for a drum machine really speeds up entry of patterns. Also there's the consideration that people will almost always of paid for it. If you save up for months for some gear of course you'll take more time to learn it inside out than if you DL a softsynth off SS. |
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The MKS-80 with the programmer was said to be the ultimate analog setup. I think it was Keyboard magazine. There are others too. Moog Memorymoog, Oberheim Matrix 12 or Xpander. Waldorf the Wave is nice too. It's digital, but with real analog lowpass filters. J Swift, have you considered the new Moog Voyager as a monosynth? It comes with a juicy price though. Probably not worth that much money. I almost got a SCI Pro One, back in 96, but chose the Roland SH-5 instead. It had more Dr Who factor :) |
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I've not really considered the Moog Voyager... I would definetly consider a Memory Moog, cos I really like the pad sounds it can do, but they're just too unreliable from what I hear... I think what I really need is a little modular synth, maybe an Analog Systems - They do Moog and EMS Synthi filters, and you can get a pretty complete system for half the price of a Mini Moog! I think it'd be a great way to start a tune - To mess around on a modular making wierd sequences and noises - I've read it's how Cevin Key starts a Download/Skinny Puppy tune. But... There is an MKS-80 for sale down Music Control right now - And if the price is alright I'll have to consider it! And prolly sell the Juno and JX to help pay for it. |
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The programmer for the MKS-80 is almost as much as the synth module. On the other hand, if you get the Jupiter-8, which is the keyboard version, it costs twice that of the MKS-80. I've seen some cheaper ones, but they were not in good condition. |
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Zeus you can get the software for the Mac |
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No he can't. That software is STILL for the old Modular. |
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I don't think you need the programmer (mpg-80) for the mks if you have a software version. But it would be cool to play the nobs... |
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alright, screw this. I was going to get the rack version ($999), and get a Digi 002... but Im saying fuckit... getting the keyboard instead($1800), and getting an 828 (750, opposed to 1200 for the Digi) just need to sell a few more things on ebay to make up for the difference... itll end up being like 300 more then I was going to pay... but worth it. |
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still selling mine! nl2 w/ expansion card, and gig bag! hit me off list, bro. |
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hehehe, persistant. sorry man, im going for da g2 all dee wayyyzzz |
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pssssh...you need a REAL synth...not a little kid's toy. Ya' know; there are plenty of reasons why Clavia re-released the NL2.. Your music is going to suffer, and you'll regret it...i'm telling ya; do the actuall synth. even if not from me; get a real synth. |
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and the g2 is not a synth.... how? |
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The keyboard version will be mine very soon! I've waited ages for this thing to come out! Can't wait to tweak those endless rotary knobs with LEDs :) |
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Can anyone recommend any decent rack based fully midi controllable synths that are great for bass and don't cost loads? I really like SH-101, TB-303 and (Korg) MS-20 bass sounds, but aside from samples and some fiddly (to say the least) half decent emulation of the SH-101, I can't really get close to the sounds of them in software. I know they're all old synths, just wondering if there was anything newish that does them well? It'll be primarily for Acid and Drum and Bass sounds rather than realistic imitation of bass guitars/double basses, etc. Any suggestions welcome. |
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many of my peeps speak highly of Alesis's NanoBass http://www.midiworld.com/quadrasynth/nb.htm |
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Waldorf Pulse! Ridiculously good value for money - About £150-200 I think - Full MIDI... Not a VERY acidey, generally quite sharp sounding - Used a LOT in techno and drum & bass though... http://www.vintagesynth.org/waldorf/pulse.shtml Nice demo there. It's generally not quite as fat or warm sounding as a vintage analog synth - It's got digitally controlled oscillators - But it's stunning value for money and got full MIDI! Capable of a lot more sounds than things like the SH101.. And it's definetly warmer and fuller sounding than the MS-20. Future Retro 777 is probably your best bet for acid - Although it's a little pricey - Sort of a mix between a TB303 & a Pro One... Got a great built in sequencer! Everyone should have a Pulse though - Also capable of thousands of decent lead sounds and fx. I'd say stay away from the BassStation - It's not very bassey but does reasonable mid-rangey acid lines. |
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bah. I canceld my order. They kept back ordering it over and over... with no estimated arrival. And I was thinking, Im good to go pretty much, with reaktor...the nord isnt a nessesity... at least not a $1800 dollar one. So, instead, Im getting useful things... gonna get a Mackie Universal Control (controller mixer for Logic), an Evolution UC33e (a MIDI controller with 24 rotary knobs, 9 sliders, and blank templates to mark the assigned controls(I might not need the nord, but I DO need knobs to twiddle!) ), and FM7... cause this program is the shit. Get all that for $1350, leaving with 450 to spare :-D |
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I've had the UC33e for a couple months. It's great you'll enjoy your purchase. Works really well with Live and Reason (the to programs I use it with) I've spent hours with a loop in Reason just tweaking the knobs. Gotta love those knobs! |
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you could edit a later analog midi synth like an mks80 or matrix 6 with a software editor, prolly the closest you'd get. although i guess you could make a custom gui in max/msp for a doepfer or whatever with midi2cv converters, that'd be besst. |
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The only thing I'm missing is money. |
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That software pic looks messy because they added as many different modules on the screen, as they could. The software is very clear. When you start out, you have no modules on the screen. You add modules as your patch grows and grows. I saw some pics of the keyboard version on Clavia's site and that thing is so big. Alot bigger than the old G1. |
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Reaktor 4 is great. I always felt previous versions' UI was a bit poor, but this is sorted out. I also thought that using a midi controller on it was a poor substitute for a real modular synth (interface wise), but recently, I've made reaktor synths that have a similar layout to my midi controller and I've made custom overlays to go on my midi controller with the dials labelled the same as on screen. I don't think you'll be disappointed :) |
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