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Many believe that video games could become the next interpretive art form, next to traditional mediums of film, art, animation, literature and theatre. Peter Molyneux (creator of Populous, Black and White, The Movies and Fable, amongst others) has been implying this quite a bit lately. But seriously think about how video games are evolving on an almost monthly basis. We have our masters - while art has Rembrandt, Pollack, Warhol and others, gaming has Shinji Mikami (Resident Evil), Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear Solid), Koji Igareshi (Castlevania: SoTN), Shigeru Miyamoto (Mario, Zelda, Pikmin) and Yugi Naga (Sonic, Phantasy Star Online) amongst many others. We have our genres - action/adventure, RPG, horror, shooting, simulation, strategy, fighting, platformer, and more. And we even have our mediums for construction - aside from the different systems, we have 2D, 3D, pre-rendered.... blah blah blah. And when you look at games like Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil, Halo, Final Fantasy X and Metal Gear Solid, the argument that video games = an art form is more and more believable. So - do you think it could happen? I personally say yes, IMO. :D |
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and oh yeah, games these days require a crew equal of that to some films for development. |
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videogames are art, and miyamoto is the genius. |
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what is strange to me is that japan is leading contry - just look at these names - same japanese people... ...and yes , youre right , since youre ninja you can fight like Snake from metal Girl Solid |
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yes - strangely enough though, the first third-party developer (a developer not loyal to any particular party) ever was actually a group of hackers from California that became ACTIVISION. :) I don't think it was until the game market crashed here in the early 80s (due to too many systems on the market) that Japanese companies became more involved in the international gaming scene as a whole. |
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you mean like mario paint? |
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Yes, they certainly are art in my opinion. I think they can be compared to opera, which was originally concieved as a "total" art- live music, singing, dance, acting, fine art and scuplture (by merit of the way the original sets- todays sets are pretty tame artistically in comparison) all in one neat package. Films later came to be viewed in a similair vein (most set designers would consider themselves artists) and whilst some of the engaging with the audience was lost through it not being done with real people in front of you, this was made up for by the fact that the director had total control over the viewing angle, sound, quality control, etc. Videogames arguably go a step further again, as well as all the facets of a film, they also contain an unparalleled level of interactivity. Some would even argue that the beauty of the code that makes up the game is a further layer of "art"... Even my father (whose background is primarily fine art and only comparatively recently got into abstract works) considers videogames "art" despite the fact he only plays a few (Tetris, Worms and Puzzle Bobble). Hyakusen: I agree that Japan does tend to lead the way in "arty" games, certainly. |
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everything is art |
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if video games are art, then the final fantasy games are amazing masterpieces, as is vice city, and to an extent the max payne games. there basically fully interactive movies |
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i like zelda |
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"Many believe that video games could become the next interpretive art form, next to traditional mediums of film, art, animation, literature and theatre. Peter Molyneux (creator of Populous, Black and White, The Movies and Fable, amongst others) has been implying this quite a bit lately." Any layman can see that v-games are pinnacles of multi-media. Even a few degree's higher; thery're interactive! i LOVE v-games...hopefully, one day i'll have some hand in them. np: blip, bleep: soundtracks to imaginary video games |
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the line between "art" and "not art" is quite blurry... music is art, ok, but some kind of music is borderline really: making crap music as a joke for example isn't really art! - and as for drawing.... if i do drawings for example, i wouldn't consider it art, they're nothing but drawings to me... it's not a "binary" thing, "art" or "not art" with nothing in-between, some things can be considered as art by some people, not art by others, or "half art".... handicrafts can also be considered as art, or as not art, depending on your sensibility; i'd say there "half art". the facts that the objects produced have a function, and are produced to many exemplaries, make them less likely to be recognized as art... video games is a bit the same... (if you argue that each piece of handicrafts is different because they're handmade, my reply is that ok, they're made a little differently every time but in my opinion they're only different when they're throught differently if you see what i mean, when each piece has its "soul" if you want. yes, some handicraftsmen do it this way.) games like Rez, for example, are quite art to me... but most of the time i wouldn't say it is "art", more like "half art". roybivcore > off-topic!! ; ) |
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well i thought it was clever |
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With games like ICO, yeah. |
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Yeah video games is art and porn is also art. |
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i love titties |
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an art form that creates the illusion of being and doing for the sole purpose of entertainment and total ego absorption? if a masturbation machine is sculpture, then video games are art. can't argue with the titties part, though. |
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games like vib ribbon and rez are like art to me, most decent videogames conatina "art" so I'd say yes! I consider guilty gear x to be very artistic! |
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I tihnk art has to be aesthetic to be calssified as such, |
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You have to interact with computer/videogames to experience them . In fact, the interaction is the experience (physically and mentally, while you only interact mentally with art like movies, books, music etc)... This also limits the videogames to be experienced [the way it's meant to be] only by the person playing. For the people watching the person playing it is sortof like watching someone do sports - they are interacting and you don't know how it's going to end. And just think about the word "game" - it is a game. Like sport is a game. In a way it's like; If one interacts physically with "art" - one helps creating it, and that's why perhaps it cannot be called art (though perhaps "interactive art"). |
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Absolutely, it's an art form. A strange one though. It takes SO many people to make a great video game. It kind of takes away from the... personalization of it, or something. It's not like one guy can express himself through a video game like he can a song. Guys like Kojima and Miyamoto and everyone are really a very small piece of a massive puzzle. They're amazing things, though. So much to experience in them. The best video game music stands up to any music, period. The art direction, the stories, the actual gameplay... covers all the aesthetic bases. And video games are getting better. I'll always be a classic gamer, but video games have come a lot further than, say, music, they're very technologically dependent. If you know what I mean. I hope you do, cuz I don't. There's a lot of awful games, but that goes for every art form. |
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I mean one does not, currently, consider the physical experience when it comes to art - only the psychical/mental, except for (maybe) when it comes to interactive art at exhibitions... the much more interesting |
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usually the main idea is that of one persons and it everyone else just helping to create that image,.. so I do think there is a lot of personal quality ot them, kind of like a band |
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Well in a way it's a form of art; I mean they include different "art" in their game, like music, pictures, motion pictures, texts, etc - it's just that one has to interact with it to experience it. I mean for RPGs and such with great stories and puzzles and music and graphics, and stuff - that's the most close to art (among games) I think. But I think in a way, videogames are not art, but a container for different arttypes. It's like media player for all kinds of media, but that you also take pleasure in using the software that is used to access the art. |
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I am the absolutely piece of art, every single part of my great body is perfect you are just jelaous |
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Another fun question is: can software really be art? cause if software can be art--art just like any other art--it can not just be limited to computergames. Instead; all software must be looked upon as more/less artistic art (good or bad). To me, software is a container for art. Sometimes it's there already (like an interactive computergame, or you watch a movie through a mediaplayer) and sometimes you create it yourself from scratch (e.g. writing a novel in notepad, or making gfx in some gfxprogram). |
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video games (esp. after the industry's most profitable year, 2003) are going to be one of the ent. industry's strongholds in the future.. like music, movies, tv shows, stage, video games (not just games in the future perhaps?) |
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"To me, software is a container for art. Sometimes it's there already (like an interactive computergame, or you watch a movie through a mediaplayer) and sometimes you create it yourself from scratch (e.g. writing a novel in notepad, or making gfx in some gfxprogram)." Yeah, I feel the same way. "Guys like Kojima and Miyamoto and everyone are really a very small piece of a massive puzzle." Yeah, these guys always get all the credit but behind the scenes, there is SO much more going on! |
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Oh, and I share the opinion that some games are art, and others are not. Can shoddily put together budget PC titles be considered art? well, yes! Getting them to even run without crashing is an art form. |
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MK Fatalities is an art form |
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Video games as a subject isn't art. It's a full blown pop-music like business now. I'd consider a few games to be art but the rest are all to make money. |
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i agree with chri5py on that on. there definately are the games that are catered simply to make money where there is less\no emphasis on making an art style\trying to making something interesting. there are still games like pikmin\ico\metroid prime that definately fit the term 'art.' |
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of course, video games are art. they are very similar to movies in that they are a colaborative art form. the medium is just different: interactive code instead of film. As computer graphics become more accurate and sophisticated, i think the line between film and videogames will begin to lose definition but i also believe both will continue to exist in their pure forms. I think it is interesting to ask, what artforms are beginning to die out? It's interesting that Ceri mentioned Opera as being similar to videogames as a "total" art form. It's on the way out as videogames are still growing in popularity. |
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Vice city is like an interactive Scarface |
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wow - i didn't think this would cause such a great discussion. i do have to agree that chri5py makes a good point - the videogame industry is a very commercialized scene now. |
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