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i'm going to say this: autechre will define autechre, not people who buy the album and whine/bitch/critisize. if autechre want to record the sounds of them folding paper airplanes, then that's the new autechre. it's not "crap" and they're not doing it "wrong", it's their sound they made and that's how they wanted it. |
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:D |
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the user "gl1tch" has uttered some of the most incorrect words ever in this thread. ae is best |
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fully agreed! :) |
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No, I agree Draft sounds unfinished. Xylin Room sounds complete, but other tracks like 6 and 7 don't to me, and the ending to Surripere (while great) grates and lacks parts (it's just some random drum programming with that weird echoey harmonics-voice thing for a long time.) But you're right, we shouldn't bitch about how WE want it to sound, I'm just giving my opinion. |
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the whole 'its just not your thing' arguement sort of renders this thread (and all others like it) completely redundant. surely, if your arguement is to point out that taste is subjective (ie. it either is or isnt your 'thing'), then no one could ever discuss the merits of any art form. ever. ..? |
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I agree with that, if it wasn't my thing i wouldn't have contributed to this thread plus i think that people only say that because they can't think of anything to say, so i think it's a cop out. |
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i know. for instance - i could try & tell you that i thought richard clayderman was a subversive, experimental artist at the forefront of all musical boundary pushers. you could (rightly) tell me i was wrong.. and i could just say.. "well its clearly not your thing".. doesnt really work for me. im glad we have an accord skink. |
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Me too :D |
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hooray for us. |
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in the multitude of interviews that autechre have conducted over the years they have maintained, with amazing consistency, the notion that they don't consider themselves musicians. they seem to liken themselves more to sound designers who are more interested in the sonic space and mood their technological noodlings produce. melodies appear a secondary byproduct of the previously mentioned motives. i think their albums should be listened to with that in mind. they don't consider themselves musicians, so don't go in expecting it to be something it isn't. ae=ae and it tends to be a hit or miss affair. |
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it's my album of the year. it's some of the most engrossing music I've ever heard; it's its own world. I don't analyze shit to decide whether I like it or not. I'll give it a few listens, and if it doesn't appeal to me I'll move on. if draft doesn't please you, maybe the next ae album will. oh, and I haven't noticed it sounding bad through headphones, but I think that's all I've listened to it on. |
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agreed. with ae i don't expect music. i expect it to be "it's own world". it will take jokers like funkstorung, phonem, arovane etc. years to mimic what sean and rob are doing. 'draft 7.30' is my choice as the best electronic album since Geogaddi. |
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true that. |
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but, i think maybe some of that "we are not musicians" stuff is just a mildly pretentious projection of an aloof and mysterious persona they are trying to represent. i mean they are musicians, there is no denying that. they make tracks that have melody, rhythm, harmony etc.. it's just very alien compared to what most people would consider actual music. i would consider someone like merzbow, for example, to have more justification in denying his musicianship status. that shit is deffinately NOT music but sound. |
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um...ok i get so god damn tired of people comparing groups like arovane and phonem to autechre when they sound absolutely nothing like them. oh, i get it. they both use melodies and glitchy beats. and i mean, we all know that autechre invented glitchy beats and melodies, right? therefore, suddenly because autechre came before phonem, arovane, funkstörung, etc, that means they are trying to mimic them. sorry, but that sort of logic is enormous amounts of bullshit to me. recent arovane doesnt even sound like autechre. neither did his old stuff but people are still hellbent on saying atol scrap sounds like autechre for whatever crappy reason they pull from nowhere. and i mean, i do like autechre more than a lot of arovane too. though, i like to listen to tides more than a few autechre albums. but overall this constant comparison just doesnt even make that much sense in my head. |
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because i don't like them as much as thier other albums |
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i like phonem... but he is definatly mimicing tri repeate era autechre... he has even admited this in interviews .. |
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look When i first heard confield i didn't like it ...but there was something THERE... after each listen it improved immensly... and became one of my favorite albums with draft it feels like there's no there there... mabey it will just take me 5 years to finnally get.. lol |
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it seems like an apt comparison to me. there is no doubt in my mind that arovane, phonem, and funkstorung are strongly influenced by old autechre. it might be an exaggeration to say they are trying to mimic autchre, but i don't think its much of an exaggeration. |
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OH MY GOD!!!! Its my favourite headphone album!! |
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the user "gl1tch" has uttered some of the most incorrect words ever in this thread. ae is best ---- This is very funny ---- I like how people assume that because I think their more recent stuff is "not so good", that I don't think they're the best thing to happen to music ever. I own (nearly) their entire catalog, and have made most my other musican friends sick by going on and on about them for the past ten years. The only point I've been making, is that I think their more recent stuff had not been very musical. Where their old stuff pushed the envelope of music to heghts that I don't think anyone ever has before. What I think more people on this board need to do. Is stop being so "personally" offended when somebody says they don't like a particular piece of music. Everybody needs to chill. This is a Discussion board. |
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PS - Happy Holidays to All! |
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true that too. |
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hell, i think this album sounds good through headphones, especially when operating a lawn mower...! :) .... if only they would have made it to Draft 8.00....... it would be completed...but ohh no..... a few songs have potential and inspiration...... surripere, p.:ntil, 6ie.cr, reniform puls..... |
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clarification, i knew i'd fuck up the point i was trying to make. i get the impression that autechre don't consider themselves musicians because they feel it's an insult to actual musicians (pendereki, xenaxis etc.) i think they mean that with the utmost sincerety, any pretentiousness* is unintentional. the use of "jokers" and "mimic" were the wrong way to go about defining my opinion. what i truly meant was, autechre are years ahead of their contemporaries. i will certainly take funkstorung, phonem and arovane over 95% of the other drivel out there. *don't mind evolume. he believes everyone is mildly pretentious even his own mother. |
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aha, yeah, thanks for clearing that up. was confused at first but now all is well! i agree too. |
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in the multitude of interviews that autechre have conducted over the years they have maintained, with amazing consistency, the notion that they don't consider themselves musicians. they seem to liken themselves more to sound designers who are more interested in the sonic space and mood their technological noodlings produce. melodies appear a secondary byproduct of the previously mentioned motives. i think their albums should be listened to with that in mind. they don't consider themselves musicians, so don't go in expecting it to be something it isn't. ae=ae and it tends to be a hit or miss affair. I agree with this, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Anyone who knows anything about music and music composition will tell you that autechre is extremely experimental. Its not traditional music in any way shape or form. Its just these sounds that exist in a space and thats it. Any meaning put to it is just your individual meaning, so one person may find it to be emotional and another person says its just engineering. Blah blah blah,,, ae is starting to become a lot like vsnares. A few amazing tracks, but the rest is wank. I've moved on. |
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i really liked Autechre in 2003, but not much draft (too predictable) : rather new Gescom EP, seefeel & Hafler3o remixes & dual purpose EP or even their trak off atp3.0 compilation; better than draft i think |
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well it'sstil the best electronic album in 2003. they invented something what never did. somebody will understand, other will try and try. or hate them.... |
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and yet others will not try to like it but just find it unappealing and uninterested as music. If those others wish to hear sound experiments they'd rather go to a soundstage where prof. S. Gidamore is testing his latest sonic creation ,go all ooooh-aaaaah about the ingenuity of it while further stroking their goatees with a look of utter fascination on their faces. |
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Music is prententious. |
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I wouldn't say best. Good, but they have made far better albums. The track that starts off with a sparce beat, and pretty much only has a pad in it for the first 3 minutes untill it breaks down into chaos is one of their best songs tho. |
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autechre have far more integrity than your average electro ponce |
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