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.. of a track I'm working on... your comments are appreciated |
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it needs to be deeper sounding i think, find a good reverb for it and addsome booms, then put the rest on top. just my opinion what are you looking to do with it? how many more tracks will be added? |
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Yep the main drum sample is very flat and needs to be more dynamic. It doesn't roll in places and it is obvious you have used a tracker. There are some good tricks in there, and possibly a lot of the flaws would be covered with the melody etc as well. It has the potential to be very good, but it would need a really strong melody. |
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i only work with hardware, so... ...what is a tracker? |
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i think the sound needs to be beefed up. everything sounds too thin. |
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Basically a tracker allows you to take samples, trigger them at any point at different speeds and pitches etc, it is normally pretty easy to hear the difference between drill done on a tracker or sequenced in something like Cubase, purely because there is no release on the retrigger on a tracker so everything sounds very clinical and cut which can lead to problems with the track flowing (at least in my experience). |
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okay, so this sounds like it would be no difference than me having samples on a sequencer and using a midi controller to trigger these and with the varying keys i would be using, it would trigger them at varying pitches/speeds. |
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There is a big difference...it is a lot less work for one. A tracker also allows you to trigger the sample from any point within the sample, play it forward or reverse again from any point. You would have to use it to understand the flexibility it offers over sequencing, but there are some pretty big trade offs in my worthless opinion :D |
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wow - this is really tripping me out right now - these drums are fucking killer dude. they are alive, an organic machine expelling a hybrid of percussion and tones into my mind. the digital world has taken over an analog universe and is manipulating it. its controlling my body man... |
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That's a little bit OTT. It is based around 4 samples at most. |
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man. im really fucked up in the head right now - i cant judge whats good or bad - this just fucking blows my mind because im on drugs. |
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I can see how a person who is on the drugs would freak out to that Very cool beatsies! |
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is that the official fleet mouse? |
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DXM wouldn't make you freak to music...it does the opposite...it makes you really really relaxed so you can't be arsed doing anything. It also prevents you coughing. |
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accept no imitations |
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i drank a bunch of that cough syrup and listened to keynell. it was pretty trippy man |
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im not "freaking out" im just reallyenjoying it - im really focused and into it - ive also got 2 ritalins in my system as well |
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I couldn't be arsed doing anything when I did it...I even pissed myself because I couldn't stand up :D |
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muahaha. what is the other chemical in daytime cold decongestant medicine that is an upper? starts with an 'e'? |
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heheh, i knew a friend that had an out of body/near death experience on dxm. he thought he died and came back to life. |
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do you mean ephedrine? |
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ephedrine is probably is seeing that it's a stimulant and pure ephedrine is illegal as of recent. |
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i made sure the stuff i got had dxm as the only medicinal/active ingerdient - im tripping my balls off here - fuck. the books on the bookshelf just fucking started dancing. |
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where can i get some of this? |
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3.3 What Kinds of Cough Medicine are Safe? Basically, anything containing ONLY dextromethorphan hydrobromide (DXM HBr). Popular US brands include Robitussin Maximum Strength Cough (and generic equivalents), Drixoral Cough Liquid Caps (the red kind), and generic equivalents. ----------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- 3.4 What Happens if I Drink the Wrong Cough Syrup? If it has gauifenesin (Robitussin DM and generic "DM" syrups have this drug), you'll probably puke your guts up. If it has acetaminophen (paracetamol), you stand a good chance of a painful, prolonged death. Anything else, you're likely to ruin the trip and may end up in the hospital. |
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so basically i HAVE to get it out of cough syrup? i thought there was another way i could get it. |
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how much cough syrup must i drink to start feeling something? |
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there is, just buy gell caplets, preferably robbitusin. make sure DXM is the only active ingrediant! |
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well it depends - for example - the cough syrup i just had (some form of robitussin) has 15mg of dxm per 5ml of the syrup - a standard dose of dxm is around 300mg, a very heavy dose is 600mg+ a 250ml bottle of the cough syrup i got has 1500mg of dxm in it - me and a friend split it (and i spilt almost a third of it, whoops) so we got about 200/300mg each of dxm since my stomach was empty i got a major trip fast - but he just got a minor buzz slowly i suggest fasting for at least 4 hours before you drink the cough syrup (make sure the ONLY active ingredient is dextromethorphan in it) |
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so basically i should drink half the bottle if it's got 250ml of syrup? |
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yeah - half a bottle of robitussin and if it doesnt do anything - wait a few days and try it again - make sure you fast before you do it (i sugges skipping lunch/dinner and doing it around 8pm) |
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way back college boy asked to a high school dance couldn't wait but my date was in my friends pants didn't know what to do, mc feeling blue, till my best friend says that the red will get me through went to the jewel with my crew in adults only box second hand suit bow tie, i'm a fox in the car, on the street, in my mouth swisher sweet, downed that shit at my crib in a one gulp feet, room starts to turn like cheese, my tummy starts to turn like greese, on my knees like a rug burn beast, like an intern tease with a yeast (infection) all while on the tile feel like i got the flu, i think i'm gonna throw, i think the night is through, ding dong dates arrived and her dress is ripped, she don't know i'm on a robotussien trip, two girls in the back starin at their fat asses i demand from my date her sun glasses do a drop roll out the car like axle i need an angel, i need some fuckin' advil, i got a buzz bigger than a behive, cough up my cookies let loose whats on the inside the tussin, the tussin, put it down like it was nothing, robocop couldn't stop me from pukin and flushing, no balls to be bustin, no fightin no cussin, just love for a drug called robotussin |
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anyway.. back to the track.. it sounds as thin as it does because I mastered it and reduced a lot of the bass because I think there are way too many kickdrums what kind of flaws are you talking about, exactly? also.. remember that this is just the drums of part of this track.. there will be cover.. y kno.. to distract from all the flaws (? heheh) I don't know how to sequence things in cubase.. I hvnt worked with it that much so.. .. I tried to vary the sound of each sample by varying the pan/vol on some of the sample triggers.. but what didn't you like.. be specific (I'm guessing most people found flaws in the actual "drum" section (where only drums are used) ..right?) |
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There isn't much to dislike, but as I said it is obvious that it was done on a tracker. When i say flaws, I actually mean where the track sort of sets a bit disjointed at the drum transitions. Pennyworth has the same thing but he manages to make the melody sort of interact so it sound just right. There is no way to point out sections in the drums without hearing the melody over it first though, because when you listen you probably have an idea of how the finished thing will sound. I think you do need to sort the samples out though...they are far too flat sounding, there doesnt seem to be any dynamic seperation between the different drum sounds. Even if it means you have to manually alter the original samples to remove or reduce the kickdrums it would be better than leaving it as it is now. |
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how, if you're not midi-controlling something, would sequencing something in cubase make any differences in terms of attack and release? is it an automatic function.. and what ..beyond subtle fadings in and out at the appropriate times, do the terms 'attack' and 'release' refer to? thanks |
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but you do midi control in cubase...you build the original drum loops up yourself using individual sample hits triggered through midi. The release allows the current hit to finish playing regardless of what hit is next played, a tracker stops everything dead at a transition. I'm not good enough at this shit yet to explain it any better, I know what I mean I just can't convey it. |
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oh nono.. in a tracker you can expand each track out so you don't have to have just one column for snares, for example.. you can have samples overlap instead of cutting each other off. I think hearing the drums completely out of context ..thereby completely shifting the focus.. is the wrong way to hear this because it draws undue attention to minor things that would normally go overlooked... I will probably go back and resequence some patterns and change some things around a bit .. only where some samples seem to be in play too frequently though.. there are also some patterns that I'll redo.. but other than that it's cool though... I'm surprised no one has called out the song I sampled for those drums |
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No offense but I dont think anyone was really that interested. As is normally the way these days. Also I know you can expand each column out. It's still just not the same. I have tried both and there really is no contest if you are happy enough to sit and program the loops yourself. |
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well.. of course.. but I wanted a few opinions on it; offering the kinds of perspectives that you/others are.. so mission accomplished so in something like cubase you have a basic drum pattern.. then you open up more and more tracks, within which you add layers of sparse rhythmic hits.. and eventually mixdown everything into one track ..yes? |
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The way I do it is as follows. You have individual drum hits mapped to different midi keys. Then in the piano roll bit I build a pattern up in one little midi block. This block can then be copied and you can just open up the replicated block and make minor alterations which add variation, or do the drill type stuff. You can do it all in the one channel just using different blocks. I personally find it a much nicer way of working but a lot more time consuming. I am still getting used to it all so I could just be talking shit :D |
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do you work with cubase sx? I haven't really played around with it all that much, but from what I've heard it's supposed to be very good.. how does one go about loading samples and assigning them to different keys.. (or assigning them to a controller so that each key will retrigger the sample at a different pitch) that's all I need to know |
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You have to use VST's something like Kontakt or Battery would do you for the drums. Kontakt is a full software sampler which lets you mess about with samples in an unbeleivable number of ways. I am only just beginning to scratch the surface myself at the moment. As I keep saying I am no expert, I have just spend ages messing about trying to get to know how stuff works. |
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wanna send me that ? ;D |
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I'm gonna try a demo of that new Intakt program - looks like a higher-quality version of fruity slicer where you mark off sections of a single wav and assign them to different keyboard notes... AFAIK with Kontakt you have to assign individual wavs to keys if you want to trigger them that way, no? |
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Yes that's right. or you can span the sample over a couple of keys it is totally flexible. Intakt does look good, but I haven't been able to find a "demo" anywhere :D |
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check your mail in a few |
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gracias |
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do you have aim |
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