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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-16 05:03 [#00993543]
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Well, we (at the moment) have a free public healthcare  system and more welfare than the US. 
 
  If you come here to work, whether your life will improve or  not is irrelevant, as far as we're concerned. An immigrant  is still and immigrant and we only have so much room, don't  we? 
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-12-16 05:05 [#00993547]
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i have never been to wales, but im sure you are all fine  people!
 
  in fact even when it comes to sport fans - rugby fans know  their manners! 
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-16 05:12 [#00993560]
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Nah, we're all wankers here. But you're right, no matter how  brainless rugby fans are they aren't as bad as footie fans. 
 
  
         
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           FlyAgaric
             from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-12-16 05:17 [#00993569]
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i went over made some pounds and came back a richman
 
  
         
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           diablo
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Don't listen to these weirdos. London is very diverse, and  we don't hate yanks. I bet all these anti americans are  sitting there in levis and adidas anyway. 
 
  
         
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           naaic
             from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-12-16 07:43 [#00993751]
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i haven't been to england so i'm not sure what the cities  are like, but glasgow and edinburgh are great! i wouldn't  mind living in either of the places. 
 
  
         
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           TokyoJo
             from London now, not Tokyo anymore on 2003-12-16 11:32 [#00994078]
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How are you going to get  a visa?
 
  
         
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           TokyoJo
             from London now, not Tokyo anymore on 2003-12-16 11:32 [#00994080]
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 They dont hand them out like smarties, you know...
 
  
         
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           FlyAgaric
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lol, that's very true
  they're not overly friendly with foreigners at the airport  either, as soon as i arrived they sent me to see some doctor  and took some x-rays 
 
  
         
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           Sanguine
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-12-16 11:41 [#00994090]
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If I get a job before I head over I think I'll be fine but  definitly a good point... something I'll have to think about 
 
  
         
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           rez
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i wish i lived in Britain
 
  
         
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           Spacecadet
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Leeds is a cool place, the problem with big cities in  england is crime, but hey, it's probly no where near the  level of places like NY or somewhere like that, it's all  relative i guess. i've never been mugged or shot (touch  wood!) 
 
  
         
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           Spacecadet
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sorry! another point! compare the whole of the uk to one american state and it's  still a smaller place, so if your used to travelling long  distance the uk will feel tiny 
 
  
         
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           FlyAgaric
             from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-12-16 12:06 [#00994113]
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so do i, my best friend lives there, besides then i could go  to all those warp, rephlex events! managed to catch one  braindance brockup when i was there, oh how i wish i could  experience that right now! listening to bilious paths and  drinkin red wine really makes me wish i was at some electro  do right now, my computer speakers are alright but nothing  beats the sound of a club.
 
  spacecadet....try going to johannesburg for a day and see  what crime is like in a bit city 
 
  
         
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           ambsace
             from canaDUH. on 2003-12-16 12:12 [#00994123]
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i've been toying with this idea m'self, actually. of course,  i really don't have any skills, or anything, and no  education beyond high school, so it'd be a bit difficult,  i'm thinking. especially since in order to get a  visa-thinger you have to have secured your job before you  even enter the country. and i say boo to that. it'll be many  years before i can make my way in there, probably. oh well.  but best of luck, guy. =] 
 
  
         
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           Cfern
             from Sacto (United States) on 2003-12-16 12:24 [#00994140]
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 fuck do what you want... england is a cool enough place...  you'll free shitty health care and pay huge taxes... I  wouldn't go for the money just a change of pace and culture  ... so go for london...  fuck i'll be there for a a few  weeks this spring.. get ready fuckers 
 
  
         
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           bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2003-12-16 14:03 [#00994362]
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Well, the English stereotype is that they sound like fags  and are cold arrogant twats. You say, 'I don't sound like an  arrogant gay twat'  'I'm warm'. Well, I never eat at  mcDonalds, either.  I'm not fat. I'm intelligent. I'm  somewhat refined.  Americans, don't go to Europe! They'll  hate you before you open your mouth. American Prejudice is  at it's peak there. And I guess you are lumping in the  Canadians in with that cultural line up? Well, I think the  Canadians hate us even more. They vomit bile in our laps. 
 
  
         
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           deepspace9mm
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DON'T COME TO WARRINGTON. It has no redeeming qualities.
 
  
         
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           evolume
             from seattle (United States) on 2003-12-16 15:23 [#00994536]
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hey somebody set this ignorant american straight.
  what is the difference between U.K. / England / Britain /  Great Britain / and um... ok how does Scotland fit in to  that shit?  
 
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           danbrusca
             from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-16 15:31 [#00994542]
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Leeds is the fastest growing city in the UK and  rapidly  becoming an important financial centre.
 
  Ireland should be avoided as it's EU funded boom has passed  and times are getting harder there. 
 
  
         
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           danbrusca
             from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-16 15:37 [#00994548]
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I can agree with that. When i went to Warrington to see  Radiohead I discovered that my hotel was opposite a chemical  factory and they turned the heating off at 1am. It's  symbolic of the whole depressing town. 
 
  
         
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           danbrusca
             from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-16 15:39 [#00994550]
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British Isles = Great Britain + Ireland (literally the 2  islands)
 
  Great Britain = England + Scotland + Wales (the island to  the east)
 
  Ireland = the Republic of Ireland + Northern Ireland (the  island to the west)
 
  United Kingdom = England + Scotland + Wales + Northern  Ireland 
 
  
         
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           tango
             from Doncaster (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-16 16:14 [#00994615]
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get a tan - grow a big black moustache - learn a bit or  arabic and say the magic word "asylum"  - and bingo a house  money healthcare  the lot mate 
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-17 00:26 [#00995044]
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Actually, you'd doubtless be locked up in a prison under our  wonderful anti-terrorism law. If you are lucky enough to get  out then you will be faced with complete cunts like tango.  
 
  
         
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           TokyoJo
             from London now, not Tokyo anymore on 2003-12-17 06:28 [#00995293]
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Good luck to you, but I fear you may struggle with the Visa  thing.. As I understand it, sorting out visas for people is  a lot of work and trouble - and most companies will avoid  doing it if possible. Unless there is a really strong reason  to hire you, rather than a british person with similar  experience, they will probably pass you over because no one  wants to do the necessary paperwork..
 
  This happened to an American relative of mine about 10 years  ago who wanted to work in London. He had a lot of banking  experience and went to tonnes of interviews with London  based banks, and most of them said they would like to hire  him, but couldnt be bothered with paperwork as they could  find a european with similar skills who would be easier to  employ.
 
  Dont mean to be negative, I just wouldnt get too excited  about the idea of living in another country until you are  sure that the visa thing is ok... Do some real research.
 
  Good luck, although I wouldnt come to london if i were you -  it may the best place in UK for culture, music etc, but it  is absurdly expensive, weather is crap and people are  miserable bastards. And the rest of the country is even  worse. 
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-17 07:07 [#00995325]
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Fuck off ya cheeky cunt! Its not worse outside the M25.
 
  
         
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           Sanguine
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-12-17 07:17 [#00995332]
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I'll definitly check into the Visa thing, and if I have the  money will take a trip out the London and the rest of  England in the spring or summer to check out the digs 
 
  
         
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           TokyoJo
             from London now, not Tokyo anymore on 2003-12-17 07:25 [#00995346]
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OK but be careful - the further north you go from London the  more they seem to enjoy fighting and random acts of  senseless voilence.. And it gets colder. And more rainy. 
 
  
         
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           weatheredstoner
             from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-12-17 07:25 [#00995347]
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I've never been to Europe, but if you enjoy that English  weather I suggest moving to NY or Seattle. All the benifits  of living in America, without all the stupid ignorant  Americans, so its almost like living in another country.  Plus, NYC is VERY DIVERSE and OPENMINDED. 
 
  
         
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           jonesy
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You'll need to pay £500 to get in BTW
  http://society.guardian.co.uk/asylumseekers/story/0,7991,11 02135,00.html 
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
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what is birmingham like compared to other cities?
 
  
         
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           TonyFish
             from the realm of our dreams on 2003-12-17 07:31 [#00995357]
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That doesn't apply to EU members though right?
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-17 07:32 [#00995359]
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I'm not sure. I think you should be exempt if you're white.
 
  
         
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           TonyFish
             from the realm of our dreams on 2003-12-17 07:33 [#00995360]
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I don't care (having dual nationality soon), I was just  wondering for my girlfriend... 
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-17 07:37 [#00995361]
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We don't have room for any more immigrants. Unless they are  white of course. Is she white? 
 
  
         
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           TonyFish
             from the realm of our dreams on 2003-12-17 07:38 [#00995362]
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lol yup
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-17 07:52 [#00995366]
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Great. In that case she won't be a drain on our NHS or be  awarded a suitcase full of money, a new car and a detached  house in a leafy suburb.  
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
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how do they determine what race is one?
 
  
         
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           TonyFish
             from the realm of our dreams on 2003-12-17 07:54 [#00995369]
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please explain (I've been away for a while)
 
  
         
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           jonesy
             from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2003-12-17 07:57 [#00995372]
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Basically, as long as you aren't black, asian, a Muslim,  arabic, Roma gypsy, not from eatern Europe,  Kurdish...basically, if you're a WASP you're welcome, if  you're not fug-eh-da-bout-it. 
 
  
         
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           tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-12-17 08:01 [#00995375]
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i see, but if i aint balck etc., im not getting suitcase  full of money and those other things you mentioned...so i  was wondering if they would notice if i colored my self? :) 
 
  
         
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           Aphexisatwin
             from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-12-17 08:03 [#00995376]
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take me with !!!!! oh wait..... I'm not white...... dammit  :/ 
 
  
         
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           The_Funkmaster
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everyone loves Canada... our main export is high selling  crap female pop singers... you have Celine Dion, Shania  Twain, Alanis Morrisette, Nelly Furtado, etc, etc...  
 
  
         
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           tango
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or allow your towns to be swamped with crack houses and  street robbery such as I am living in - or you could some  lefty student wanker of which the only black face he's ever  seen is of his grandad when he worked in the mines 
 
  
         
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           tango
             from Doncaster (United Kingdom) on 2003-12-17 11:14 [#00995594]
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*could listen to even*
   
 
  
         
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           Sanguine
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-12-17 11:26 [#00995606]
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I'm not moving to Canada
  Even God hates Canada
 
  
         
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           tango
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with people like you around it would have been an affront to  consider arresting sajid badat under the same laws and no  doubt you'd have done a victory dance once the first uk  plane went down . i can picture the quotes from you now "  hardly surprising since we helped dubbya to invade iraq "   so please rant away from your comfortable vantage point or  do us both a favour and ignore my posts and i'll return the  favour 
 
  
         
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           tango
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you should consider it - its a beautiful country and the  people are friendly mostly  
 
  
         
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           Sanguine
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I have a friend living in Toronto actually, I've considered  it... but I want to move to the UK for the music scene  mostly, the job situation is better there and It'll be a lot  more DIFFERENT than here
 
  I went to Ireland on tour with the orchestra, I know how  much different Dublin and Cork are from here and I know  London will be even more interesting. I need a change in  lifestyle, in the way I think, Canada won't do that
 
  Lots of helpful info here guys, thanks a lot for the  suggestions... I'm looking into a lot, I'll be able to  afford the Visa if I can get it, and I think given my  situation I can make that happen... looking pretty good  right now 
 
  
         
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           bogala
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Why would an American want to go live in Europe? Surrounded  by cynics. Everyone hating you. Bad weather. Stay. They  aren't as sophisticated as they'd like you to think. Make  your own music scene. Do you plan on doing the Cornwall  tour? Aphex hates stalkers.  
 
  
         
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