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taken from a news article: "A social worker who interviewed Malvo in jail several months after the two men were arrested in connection with the three-week sniper spree that killed 10 people in the Washington area, testified Thursday that she was struck by the young man's interest in the film "The Matrix," in which the hero shoots his way out of a computer-imposed world of virtual reality. Â Â Â Â Carmeta Albarus said she watched the movie and saw similarities between Malvo and the character Neo, who brings about a massive societal change under the tutelage of a powerful mentor. Â Â Â Â "Neo was going to contribute significantly to change of the system," said Albarus, a defense witness. Muhammad fits the role of Morpheus, Neo's mentor, she said. Â Â Â Â Albarus was not allowed to discuss Malvo's impressions of the film. However, Malvo himself mentioned the "The Matrix" in an interrogation interview that was played for the jury earlier in the trial. Â Â Â Â During the interview, FBI agent Brad Garrett asked Malvo: "Where should I go look, to understand all this?" Â Â Â Â Malvo answered: "Matrix." Â Â Â Â When Garrett asked if he meant the movie, Malvo said he did and that both he and Muhammad had watched it. "I watch 'Matrix' if you let me be able to watch it, forever," Malvo said. Defense attorneys planned to show a clip of the film. Â Â Â Â Malvo is charged with capital murder in the slaying of an FBI analyst during the sniper spree. Muhammad was convicted of capital murder in another of the deadly attacks; the jury in his case recommended the death penalty." |
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yeah, but look at manson and the beatles. |
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point being: someone who is unstable, is bound to snap over things that strike them as prolific. they might be pure works of fantasy, or half truths... but to this person, it is something that justifies their needs. |
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w0Rd. |
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I think the same thing. |
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this is complete crap. if they get away with a "temporarily insane" verdict and have to go in a psychiatric hspital instead of jail, then the system will have failed once more. you cannot blame films or music for acts that you have posed. the responsibility cant be transferred to someone else. no one's responsible for their own act anymore. |
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mike oldfield told me to do it |
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wØrD |
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Oldfield can speak..? |
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what the fuck do you know abut this guy? the "system" is there to protect and help not necessarily to punish. the system only fails if it makes the incorrect choice. |
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I think the same thing. |
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subliminal messages - play tubular bells backwards. it says "richard branson is a bearded bollock breath" 8 times |
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Mike Oldfield has powers you cannot even begin to comprehend. |
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[another stupid variation on the word "word"] |
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the power to make shitty music, for one. |
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I can't wait till somebody does a copy cat mass homicide based on Master and Commander |
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im gonna brake ralph macchio's arm then blame it on detective isbecki from cagney & lacey |
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I'm going to start an evil interstellar empire and blame it on Star Wars. |
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"so.. you got all shriveled up, started to wear a cloak and have been frying young men with bad haircuts by means of sprouting blue electricity from your fingertips..?" "uh.. yeh.. it kinda looked cool.." |
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if i ever get any smoking related diseases ill blame it on walter raleigh |
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if i turn into a smackhead ill blame grange hill (ok enough of those, you've milked it dry) |
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what do i know? that someone who meticulously planned 10 murders the way those guys did are lucid enough to know what theyre doing. UNLESS they can prove, with a clinical diagnostic, that they are: - schizophrenic - in a psychotic episode. please disregard 2 second option as a psychotic episode does not last that long. so unless theyre schizophrenic, you cant blame a movie for their actions. the 'system' fails a lot. unless youre one of those naive people that think that the judiciairy system is flawless. which i assume is not the case, but i might be wrong. |
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that wasn't dobbin's point. he was making clear the distinction between thinking of "the system" defending and helping people, and it punishing people. |
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i thought the purpose of this thread was to inform us about the fact that the snipers' acts were explainable if you take into consideration that they were influenced by a film. the point i wanted to make is that the system would fail if, in court, this element would be seriously be taken into consideration. UNLESS the defendends were in fact mentally ill. kind of like moore's reason to name his film 'bowling for columbine'. it's equally rationnal to blame the music the kids were listening to before killing people as it is to blame bowling, since this was what the kids were doing before the slaughter. maybe my point isnt clear though... |
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so you think someone who killed 10 people knew what they were doing? surely if there wasn't anything wrong with this guy he wouldnt have killed anyone at all you seem to be pretty sure he was responsible for his actions. why are you so sure that resonsibility cannot be transferred to someone or something else? |
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PFFT. wake up and smell reality. |
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yes, but you were making general statements about them getting off lightly if they were found to be mentally ill, not so much in the light of being influenced by, of all films, "The Matrix". |
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"so you think someone who killed 10 people knew what they were doing? " by that logic, every murderer shouldnt be held responsible for their actions then. likewise, you seem as sure the film is responsible for his actions. |
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a person that is proven to have been influenced by a film to the point of killing another human leads to the conclusion, imo, that a mental illness is present. |
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i think some people just dont get how someone can be THAT wrecked in the head that they honestly believe doing something like that is right. i mean, it's not like they're mentally retarded... you can get them off the hook that way, cuz they know EXACTLY what they are doing, they just disagree on the morality of it. but that doesn't diminish guilt, or the fact that they were congnisent of their crimes. they knew the punishment they faced, or else they wouldnt have been so ninja about it. hiding in a trunk? they didnt want to get caught. no brainer. they KNEW what they were doing. someone who is TOTALLY gone is not gonna care if they get caught or die. |
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i mean, i DO agree that there is something wrong here, or else they wouldnt have acted out this way... but i dont think they are unfit to stand trial, as some here seem to be suggesting. and whats MY opinion anyway, im no judge or lawyer or jury. |
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where did i say that? all i was questioning was the general attitude of the media and yourself that a guy is automatically guilty because he shot 10 people perhaps i was playing devils'a advocate to an extent but even so, if the system is seen as a soft touch if a man gets "aquitted" over mental health grounds, it is the systems fault if it is biased towards what is seen as an easy way out. and lets not forget that if someone is classified as mentally ill in this case theyre still not going to get released. in england, prison is supposed to be (but in the majority of cases not) about rehabilitation, not just punishment. even if it doesnt work, at least the right idea is there even if it isnt implemented properly. |
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im not sure if that was an argument for or against my statements... but i agree with most of what you said. |
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im just saying i think the guy is nuts, true... but not a vegetable... he knows what he did... he knows the concept of police coming after him because he knows he did a bad thing. |
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of course they are guilty of killing, unless the police have arrested the wrong people. if someone kills someone else, he is guilty of killing, automatically (if you disregard accidental killings). but, in some cases, mentally ill people cant be held responsible for their own actions, but that is a very low percentage of the population. maybe the snipers were in fact mentally ill, but judging b their actions and the, if unbiased, i doubt theyre mentally ill to the point of being influenced by the matrix. it's kind of a silly argument, but the discussion is interesting. |
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i agree. not ill to the point of being iinfluenced this way by a film. maybe just a little fucked is all. |
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well, actually... i believe there is a difference in killing and murder. killing is self-defence, or animals for food, etc... murder is out of selfishness. so technically, i might kill a possum by accidentally running over it if i cant swerve... but its not murder, it was an accident. i wasnt doing anythign i shouldnt be to cause it either, so its not even manslaughter (of course, its a possum). anyway, this IS an interesting discussion, i agree. |
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yes. i wrongly used both terms as synonyms. |
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hehehe :) |
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