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dont hate me too much for this, but it was bound to happen someday anyway i too want to make electronic music as a matter of fact i have downloaded the smallest drumming program, virtual drummer, with which i have made small drumtracks, ill upload them someday soon fantastic as those songs might be, i am getting bored and stuck by limitations already every time i use the search functions for music or programs xlt crashes, so that's why i now ask yúó. it's prolly not that bad too share some information something about me: i only have a blue apple, so that's like a power pc, 350 mghz and also a pentium2 (i think) with a few hundred mghz's, i cant check that last one because i still have to get keyboard and mouse for it. i therefor cant have to biga programs. i want to try with my mac first anyway (so i didnt cough up all that money for nothing). so i liked that it isnt really hard to write advanced beats when you screw around a bit with the sections per beat, only thing was i couldnt find out after programming the beats what the setting were. so i'd like a program you can do that with. but also have complete freedom. also i want midi files, i guess. also i want a program i can use to record my guitar. what to get? i know this guy who'll burn for me, so i can try a few things. i was now thinking about all i know, which is protools, cubase, reason and fruityloops. i dont know what versions yet. my computer, by the way, already had problems with the beats i created, i will have to expand my memory. tnx for helping me, big :D |
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I feel for you, and i want to hear your drumtracks! |
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yes: feel me ah how nice, im looking for somewhere to upload them to, and converting them to mp3, that all shouldnt be to hard. but im not finished anyway. it's like three tracks: one not to good, the drum and electronic track i ever wrote, but wÃth some idm sounding beats. one hiphop one with ae influences ánd miami vice. and one that i like but that i got stuck with half way through. |
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let me day that again yes: feel me aah how nice, im looking for somewhere to upload them too, and converting them to mp3, that all shouldnt be too hard. but im not finished anyway. it's like three tracks: one not to good, the second drum and electronic track i ever wrote, but wÃth some idm sounding beats. one hiphop one with ae influences ánd miami vice. and one that i like but that i got stuck with half way through. |
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For uploading I think zebox.com is good enough o_O' |
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FL4 yo |
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you should use for upload - very reliable, no limits that i've seen, plus no authorization required, and no ads. as for freeware, you should take a look at if you like raw sounds like squares and sines. Basically, you can find TONS of freeware everywhere on the net - just do a google search and you're bound to find millions. |
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what the////// TOO MANY WORDS TO READ |
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i dont know, i have so email someone. and then will only get a stripped account. i want to get my own website anyhow. *working on soundclick.com* |
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thanks odds! that sounds good. i dont think i have a problem with not-shareware until im signed or something. i think i need something good for making some decent mixes, dont i? |
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btw, if you want samples, you should just go get a cheap keyboard or something and a 1/8" headphone jack with a 1/4" adaptor and record it all, then cut it apart and use what you want. or just record yourself playing something and use it. that's what i did for almost all of Epic A.D.. |
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well, i think i'd want midi quality at least? that drumming program sounded pretty good, i just cant convert, i've tried to, free, converter programs, will keep trying. but what programs do you use then? some for sounds and some for mixing, or something? |
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cool edit 2.0 for the windows machine. easy to find if you're one of those nasty pirates, costs little if you buy it. |
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buzz is pretty good and it is available for free (and legal) download at . you can do a lot with it but it does have limitations. also i believe some people complain about it being too hard to learn to use but i didn't think it was that difficult. |
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Hey man. Glad to see more people making music. The more the merrier. If you want to use your mac, you wont be able to use fruity loops. With cubase or logic, you will need either some external instruments (hardware) or you will need plugins. As your computer isn't so new, this might not be your best option. For Mac, i would give reason a try. If you get a better pc (if you allready have a monitor, then you can get a damn good pc for like $300) Fruityloops would be ideal for you. What type of music are you wanting to do? What are you looking for in a program? What are the limitations that you dont like in your current software? There is all kinds of things that you could use.... on mac you could use reason, project 5, ableton live, logic, cubase, Max/MSP, etc. There are more options on PC, but that's a taste thing really. |
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I personal have been using Fruityloops (from version 1.5 to the ver I'm on atm which is 4) for the 7 years or so that I've been making tracks and have nothing but praise for it. As far as music programs go I think it's a lot easier to learn than reason and buzz etc (imo) and also I don't feel that it's very limited. It CAN be limited depending on how you want to write music but the way I write it's perfect (heavy on programming, not too much fucking around with the really technically god stuff liek those multiple wav mapped keyboard samples you can yuse in reason etc etc etc) |
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tnx, i'll have a look at all those programs. i mentioned fruity loops because you guys have a lot. maybe im looking for a program that can do it all or a program that can combine efforts i made in other ones. as for current program limitations, i dont know more than what's in my first post on the drumming and the sections per beat (just zooming in so you have up to 16 beats per count, And not being able to see what i wrote in which zoom level). i think i'll want a program in which i can exactly time a beat or sample, which i cant do now. of course i want to make crazy sequenser sounds. but also i want to use samples like midi. not least important of all i want to record my guitar-ouevre, now that my band's broke up. and record drums and bass over that or first write those in midi. so i'll need advanced software for that, but not to new, as my compu isnt. i am able to convert my drumming tracks to aiff (movie-file?) from which i'll mp3 'em. also i singed up at soundclick.com, good site i guess. also my last drum track still isnt finished exept for a less good version, ill see what to do when im home again |
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Reason will do all that. |
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"i am able to convert my drumming tracks to aiff (movie-file?) from which i'll mp3 'em." Aiff is a soundfile. Carry on. |
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Go for Reason, FL is not the answer! I regret spending ages learning FL to just end up feeling limited by it. |
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yes i will check reason. my latest band album was mixed on that. i should have just asked the producer for it, but we didnt get along really well.. so i converted to aiff, aight, and so the song file which was like 60 k, made by a program that was 100k, became a whoppie 30mb! i wonder how much it'll be when mp3'ed. kinda sucks anyhow im still stuck in my last song, so havent uploaded love ya'll, big ;) |
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Remember that 1 minute of 16-bit 44.1kHz, non-compressed stereo recording takes about 10MB (this is what is called CD-quality). As an MP3 it will be around 3MB depending on your bitrate settings. |
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i use taureg and tu2 by bram bos. if you go to their website, you can dl freeware versions, which are very nice. |
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you dont say, but why was it that small at first, does it use some stuff that's already on my compu? i'll check that out tibbar right now i want to put music on top of my drum track, i think i'll try that with reason then. i hope my computer can cope: i cant click on stuff without getting in to trouble with a playing mp3.. |
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okay, i kinda figured it out myself now. but still, the 67 k is very little. |
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In what way did you find FL limiting? I'm not looking to start a flamewar, just curious... |
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get soundforge6.0 for mastering its sound editor (all formats) |
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my recommendation: Reason 2.5 - burn yer brain with those connectionz Cool Edit Pro - extrmly fast wave editor Waves - vst/dx plugz, damn good Cubase SX - Master Mix SynFactory - infinite number of oscillatorz Stomper Hyperion - for percussion samples Knowledge - neccessary ;-] |
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thanks for the clarity there sempoo. i'll try 'em all. so another question to show off your vast nollidge too: can different mp3 converters make the resulting mp3 file sound different?????????? i just downloaded the first converter i found (BladeEnc, non-professional) and it works just fine, but i wonder if i should try another converter that may sound better: besides making my track sound a bit different, i noticed it made individual sounds sound diffent (i just heard the side-kick (my fav sound) being less clicky, more, i dunno, swooshy, like brushes on the snare) thank-ories, big |
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i love big. |
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:*) next round on me! |
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mp3 is compression so you lose a bit of depth and quality when you convert from wav or aiff eg Audio: 44,100 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo. One minute of audio compresses to a file size of approximately 0.91 MB (about 11:1 compression). |
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that sould say for 128kbs |
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um, yes, i thought so. i presume your answer is: no. because different mp3 converters, dont convert diffently, besides from how much you compress. |
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up until a few weeks ago i used a freeware drum sequencer called "leafdrums2". you can search google for it. it's quite good and allows you to go into 16ths of the beat if you like complex stuff. then i would use cakewalk to record off my keyboard and mix in drums. this pc is an old 550 with 300some megs of ram so it's a good program for slower computers. i'm not sure if there's a mac port for either of those. recently i switched to fruity though and just like having sex with a black man, you can't go back. |
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yeah - REASON, specially 2.5 version. then you can kill some bitches with it... but seriously - i can give info's about reason - just e-mail me |
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tnx will reason run on my not tó good compu? |
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I'm still waiting to hear how FL limited you... |
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All those pretty colours are quite limiting. |
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You mean the light grey, or the dark grey? |
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Yes, among others. |
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Well I cant be arsed to go into it now as I've been drinking & I'm a little worse for wear but, at the end of the day it's based on a drum machine & was never meant for serious composition. It's foundation is flawed from the begining.......... thats just for a start 8/ |
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Ya have to try the newest full version where you can do live midi / audio recording, and edit midi in a standard piano roll instead of that beastly pattern editor with the weirdass dropdown keyboard. Basically aside from the playlist where there's a vertical as well as horizontal component, it's not much different than using Cubase - and when I look at how I use Cubase, cutting and pasting repeating patterns, it almost makes more sense the way it's arranged in FL. I actually prefer it to Cubase because it's dead simple to map a generic midi knob to a control, and easy to map it to a VST synth parameter, which is next to impossible in Cubase. Combine this with the built in sampler, WAV editor and the ability to load VST and DXI instruments and effects and well sir you got you a great sounding inexpensive sequencer / virtual studio. |
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I have the version you speak of. The new version of Cubase (SX) has very versatile paramater controll............ blah blah Anyway Fleetmouse, FL is not all that. Not bad but not what you need to produce a varied range of styles. Great for dance music & good for programing drums etc but not for entire compositions. If you prefer FL to Cubase then good for you. I don't but thats imo. I'm drunk tonight, maybe we can talk further next time, I really dont feel like getting into this now 8S 8D |
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go with trackers. Player pro for mac. renoise (the best) for PC. They sound wonderful. Renoise loads Vst Instruments. Ones you could make in Reaktor. Or just use ssamples. Ive played with lots of programs for lots of years and trackers sound the best with the quickest results!!! |
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I have SX 1.05 and it's great, except for the fact it makes my Doepfer pocket controller next to useless - it can control the mixer, but there's just no way to map it to the controls on a VSTi (except the A1 and fuck that shit). It's not just me - read any Cubase forum and see how frustrated people are with the state of the "generic midi controller" interface. It seems Steinberg isn't interested in fixing it either - they're apparently developing a proprietary controller protocol so they can sell their own hardware... Another area where Cubase falls down is hitpoint detection - it really sucks compared to the automatic slicing in FL's slicer channels. (I paid extra for the Beatslicer cause it rules!) And I hate how the slices in Cubase obscure one another when you move them around - much smarter to have them mapped vertically to different MIDI notes like in FL, so you can see what you're doing AND so you can trigger them separately in realtime recording. Now of course in many ways Cubase is the more professional choice, and I'd certainly use it over Fruity for multitrack audio recording with a band or something. But I really don't see why you can't create any style of music you like in FL - what style would be a problem and why? I've used MIDI sequencers like Cakewalk and Cubase for years, and aside from the lack of score editing and the slightly different approach to musical arrangement in the playlist, I don't see what I'm missing. I guess the logical editor is pretty neat if you have a use for it. |
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now downloading Pro Tools Free 5.0.1, it's free |
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Doepfer pocket controller, hihi |
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It's a box of knobs. No wait, that also sounds obscene. :-/ |
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yes, knobs anywho: how much memory would you recommend at least, i mean: yes 1024 mb would be nice, it costs for mac (i have no money anyways). i thought i had 256 mb, but it's 64 actually, i didnt know that was possible these days |
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