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your favorite band sucks too... and its fans are ugly and smelly. |
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Bitch, you've never even HEARD of my favourite band! |
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and every single day i have to sit next to one of its fans and i curse said band. for they suck. |
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:) lighten up man... try me.. whats your fav band? |
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I'm cool, I'm hungover and just feel like being silly. Answer: Kerbdog. |
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kerbdog? never erd of em! metal right? |
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make fun of merzbow fans! |
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merzbow fans! you mean the smelly ugly ones? they suck! |
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damnit! i ment by pointing out thoughtful insights via illustrative cliches! |
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say what? |
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i wonder if it will be as good as the previous work... i don't know why, i have the feeling it will be "good, but nothing really new"... |
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I have a feeling it's going to be at least as good as his other albums |
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he doesn't "have to" hire outsiders to make good music, he just picks some fucking great collaborators like bjork does. bjork could do it for dolo [do it solo], believe it, but what she does with other people is infinitely better than the amazing stuff she would and surely does come up with alone. |
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check out nin.com possible bleedthrough artwork or just online artwork...anyones guess. |
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no bleedthrough untill Christmass at the earliest :( |
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whaaaaaaat? |
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In the new issue of Revolver magazine, the news section sends a quick message about the upcoming album: "Trent Reznor is in L.A. with producer Rick Rubin, trying to finish the fourth NIN record, Bleed Through, which should be in stores by Christmas." |
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so early :0//////////////////////////////////////// |
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thats gay. He's slower than old people fucking |
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i predict this won't ever make it to release |
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heheheh he's already balding he'll be touring with a zimmerframe soon sorry trent, but you're just taking WAY too fucking long i mean, ok perfection takes time, but come on! |
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:20 am ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- While I understand there are some pretty upset people in here... I do want to point out a few things that ARE causing delays with the NIN album. Just as a point of reference I am a musician and writer. I have been involved with the outer sphere of the NIN camp since mid-1995. No, I did not work on any of the albums or tours. Yes, I am friends with many of the people who have been spinning in and out of the NIN camp since 1995. I have much familiarity with how they do things and why they do things the way they do them. First it is helpful if you understand what drives not only Trent, but the ID software people and Rick Rubin. All of them work in their respective interests to please themselves first and foremost. Much of their satisfaction with what they do, is derived from setting a lofty goal and going out and achieving it. Money, is not necessarily a prime motivating factor anymore... Frankly, Trent has enough money from his successes over the years and the cost savings that resulted in incorporating NOTHING, to have retired some time ago. This war chest offers him considerable protection from the shifts in the music business and anything that is going on with Interscope. Its not David Bowie rich, but then again he is good friends with Bowie. So if were to ever need that help, I think I can say with authority that Bowie would come to his rescue. What concerns Trent now and always has, is his core ethics. His main criticism since the beginning has always been about how bands and other creative types short change YOU the FAN by rushing out a piece of crap that has nothing to say, or is lacking in craftsmanship. He does create ART, not just product. It used to piss him off when he was kid and it has stayed with him into adulthood. If he were a novelist he would be a THOMAS HARRIS or JAMES CLAVELL type. |
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Both were known for releasing new novels every eight to ten years if they were lucky. On the other hand, nearly every novel they released was a critical and popular success. Second, as we all know Trent has been working alot on the DOOM 3 project for sometime now. What you may not know is the particulars required with finishing off the DOOM 3 project. ID doesn't just finish the programming of the software and then hand it off to Trent to slap sound onto only to be rushed to the duplicators and out to you... Its a collaborative process that goes back an forth... They offer him a version, he tries a few things and sends it back to the ID team. They take a listen, take notes, it goes around the table for comments. Occasionally one of Trent's ideas creates an interest in a possible alteration of gameplay that means that it has to go back to the programmers. Then the whole process begins again. Once that is completed, he then has decided to go the extra mile of giving it his now increasingly signature 5.1 sound (which is not easy when done with precision, and which will be superior to just about any video game sound ever made. Period. Finish that nigtmare and he still has to add mastering touches that create that signature Trent sound as well. Projects like DOOM 3 require a ton of soundscape work. When he gets a break from that kind of sound design, he naturally finds the contrast of doing a little more of a standardized song structure for his alternate project, namely NIN more appealing. This is why the new NIN album is a little more lean, and focused from a songwriting standpoint. I wouldn't worry, it appears that there will be the now standard NIN remixes and alternate interpretations that will accompany the new record when it does finally come out. They may be delayed until after the tour that will support the album, but they will come out, nonetheless. Trent has also been learning some new engineering and mastering tricks that will debut first on DOOM 3, and then in song format on the new NIN album. |
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Again learning these new techniques has taken time. Everybody involved with NIN is always focused on mastering the next great techinques, software, gear, and instruments. Creating the album you want, means finding the people you want to contribute to the album. If you are committed to your project, you wait until that persons calendar opens up and they are available. This doesn't mean that he is just sitting around on his ass in the meantime. He's not. He's working on all the refinements of his craft as mentioned above, and for the reasons as mentioned above. For example, back in 1995-1996 fans were intensely interested about hearing Trent record a more classical album, showing off his piano and composition skills in more of a chamber setting. That result, the STILL album, didn't appear until nearly 7 years later. Trent takes time with his decisions. That is why the ultimate album and tour are always so kick ass. Another thing that slows things down is that he still, even today, makes nearly 90% of all the decisions that are required on a daily basis, even if they might be a decision that others might consider worthy of delegating to a subordinate. Most of the albums you hear from other major label artists have much less of themselves on the final product than do Trent's. |
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Dispelling rumors, contrary to opinion, Trent did not even get to work on the new album until late 2002. While he was on tour, and when he got back he was trying not to overwork himself like he did during the whole Antichrist Superstar-Lost Highway-Perfect Drug-Quake-Fragile years. That period nearly killed him because somebody always wanted more and more and more. Quite honestly, I respect the increased sense of self preservation he has been showing since 1998. Regarding the business side. It is true that Interscope would prefer a mid-spring to early summer release. It times perfectly with promoting a new tour, with the release of soundtrack compilations for major motion pictures which usually a couple of Trent's songs from the new album gets placed on, and because kids generally have more money to spend on themselves during this time period than at any other time of the year. While Trent doesn't need the mammoth profits he had before, he does want to retain the wide distribution that has become commonplace with being on a major label. He also wants to preserve the relationship to help the other countless bands he has plucked from obscurity and placed on the Nothing label. Without that kind of distribution, those bands might continue their obscurity for a long while, or perhaps forever. Keeping the distribution means trying to at least do what he can without comprising his core ethics to give Interscope what they would like from him. |
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Finishing the new album means a hell of alot more than just recording the music and placing it out there.... He has consider what type of music videos (if any this time around) that will best suit the types of short stories that show effectively the principles of the album. The cover artwork takes a ton of time (he literally went over nearly a hundred different submissions for The Fragile before he settled on one design) The list of merchandising goes on and on.... All of it with one thing in mind, keeping the focus on what the album's intention and scope is all about. Most of these decisions have to be made and put into action, long before we actually see the album in stores. With the complexity of internet promotion, add just one more layer of consideration before release. So perhaps we can all give him a break. After the great work he has done in the past he is not worthy of our patience, he has easily EARNED the right our patience for now and in the future... (stepping off my soapbox) Wa |
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woah... wait... i thought trent wasn't working on doomIII anymore |
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* taken from a thread on the echoingthesound.net, nine inch nails forum. i thought it made for an interesting perspective. |
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no he's not he ditched it :( |
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it does make an interesting perspective but i think the reason that we're getting anxious about it is because he has been quoted to have said in Rolling Stone that it'd be done this summer :( |
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