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Yes, however anytime the subject of evolution versus design comes up it's best to get the epistomological wrangling out of the way early because it will come up eventually. Now then, what evidence do you have to present for design? And I don't mean attempts to poke holes in evolution - because disproving evolution would still not prove that the Christian God designed and created the universe as we know it, just as proving Bjork doesn't write her own songs doesn't prove that Christina Aguilera writes them for her. |
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I think originally I was going to go into a line of argument where, after establishing that we define truth by collective experience and that one channel for experience is evidence, then we can observe various forms of evidence for the claims of the bible and evidence for ideas that are contrary to that to determine whether or not one of them qualifies as truth. |
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You know at this point it might prove more efficient to give you a link to some papers on the subject. |
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'there are things outside of your "self"' not to grendal. (...sorry for the incredibly obscure literary allusion but it makes perfect sense. fleetmouse, stop being a douche) |
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You mean Grendel? Of Beowulf? |
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fair enough. but hasn't this been done time after time? with neither side swayed in the least? how can we make it different this time? we'll cite finches and moths and you'll cite the word of the one true lord and we'll all go home shaking our heads. |
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But I'm such a good douche - I'll get any vagina minty fresh! Do you ever feel "not so fresh", scup? |
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Actually this guy Kent Hovind got in a pretty nasty debate with the guy from my site Hugh Ross. Alot of christians really don't like his ideas about day ages and so forth. |
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yes grendel of beowulf (not the flap of skin between your anus and scrotum) |
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That's a lot of material! Could you do me a favor and point me to an article that presents positive evidence for creation rather than trying to refute evolution? |
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Haha yeah, Hovind is a real . |
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blablabla, i say take off your cloths and halucinate with iboga. |
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Oh! Hahaha, Kent Hovind? That fucking quack. I saw a picture of the 'college' where he attained his 'degrees', it was practically a fucking house in the suburbs. |
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hmm, i find that site a little alarming in its presentation. rather than approaching the evidence to see what comes of it, it presents you with neat pre-argued justifications for beliefs you hold already. a pretty queasy intellectual situation. 'my pesky agnostic neighbour keeps poking holes in my carefully patched-up faith. quick, i needs me some reasons.org!' |
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i felt so sorry for grendel. sitting outside the hall, cold and lonely. then gets his bloody arm torn off by some hero. who'd be a monster in the middle ages, i ask you? |
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stupid beowulf |
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"If the universe is uncreated, eternally self-existent, or accidental then it has no purpose and, consequently, we have no purpose. Determinism rules. Morality and religion are ultimately irrelevant." hahaha. that cheered me up. |
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love that sweeping 'logic'. |
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You don't have to link to the same site over and over. |
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you could say the same thing about .."Hey this christian is making some sense, did that prophecy actually come true? Why does this book speak so many truths for my life? Better scurry over to infidels.org." |
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No that's okay, I asked him to point me to his best positive evidence for creation, so I assume that's it. |
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ooh, it gets better: 'If the universe is created and the creator is impersonal, then love, compassion, and care are merely illusions. On the other hand, if the Creator is personal, then these attributes and others such as beauty, altruism, mercy, and justice are real and meaningful.' we need god to justify truth, beauty, mercy and justice now. superb. god is our only yardstick for morality. |
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Glasse and boket, let's try to steer away from the ad hominems, yes? |
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I think there is a wealth of material on there and fleetmouse wanted to see some specific stuff related to design, plus I think that site inparticular is somewhat peerless in relation to the scope of scientific knowledge and its relevance to the christian faith. |
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I have other sites that I reference for more cultural and theological issues. |
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look where i'm from. yay for angst. |
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that's the flipside. but i would have hoped most people have more intellectual curiosity, and don't mind being challenged by different points of view. adapt their point of view when they find flaws in their current system, rather than looking for specious arguments to 'defend' it from attack. is there a noeasyanswers.org? |
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I have actually read most of "The Christ Conspiracy" and several articles on infidels. |
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yup, sorry. no animosity here, though. sorry if it came across that way. |
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you're so well rounded |
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Change one word: "If God is uncreated, eternally self-existent, or accidental then it has no purpose and, consequently, we have no purpose." Because if the universe requires something external to shoehorn meaning and relevance into it, then why is God exempt from that requirement? |
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I find it to be subjectively biased. |
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the difference there is time. |
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you mean the taint? |
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explain |
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the taint? |
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Everything is subjectively biased it is an unavoidable variable. |
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...disturbing the force? |
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no not the taint, i dont know what the taint is |
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haha there we go with the relativism again - but unfortunately it is self-annihilating, this idea that everything is biased therefore unreliable. |
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except god, presumably? |
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the taint is the flap of skin between the balls and ass... |
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this thread is the epitome of the phrase "talk is cheap". or in this case "type is cheap" har har *snirk* |
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You know the taint. Also known as the bonch or choad. "Bonch mouth" is a great insult. |
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"grendel", i go by. i've heard it called many things, never "the taint" |
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you're going to burn in evolutionist hell for that. |
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