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What makes someone talented/gifted musically? Does it matter if you don't write your own music, but have a good singing voice...etc.etc? Lots of people here seem to 'diss' non-IDM artists, but surely just because individuals do not like their material, does that make them any less talented? Discuss.. |
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fuck talent! |
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Well you are Australian! :P |
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I would define "talent" as the skills/abilities you are born with a natural apptitude for/develop in your early child childhood... having a great sense of pitch or rhythm is a talent, having a "head for figures" is also a talent. I think almost without exception, these skills must be honed with a lot of hard work, but having a natural talent for them makes it a lot easier for you to excel in that area than someone who doesn't have the same intuitive grasp as you. |
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Well Billy Corgan didn't have a good singing voice, but he was a talented vocalist. I'm not sure how it works, but it does. |
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This comming from you?! heh..heh.. hehhh! |
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*snaps a certain transparent 12" vinyl over my knee* hehehehhe!! |
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NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 :'( |
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Telent is that ability to do or produce something that other people appreciate. |
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Thats a good answer. :) |
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I agree with Ceri on this. People who can sing well often can with help of singing lessons and/or music classes when it's about playing an instrument. I don't regard something you can learn a talent. I assume most of us can read and write but is that a talent? Methinks not. |
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Some don't need singing lessons though. That is, if its raw talent. I don't lessons are responsible for 'raw' talent. The talent has to be there to start with. |
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um, in 2 words? aphex twin |
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Only from a certain point of view |
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Yes, to me singing talent would be the ability to sing great w/o many lessons or even a single lesson. Talent is a skill you are born with in which you excel. Singers or musicians who have learnt how to sing/play their instrument are not necessarily talented as it would be something they have learnt. Composing is a talent. It is IMO not something you can learn. You can either compose great music or you can't. It's something you must have 'feeling' for. |
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I don't think people who can't sing can learn to sing good. With an instrument I think anyone can with the necessary time and effort. |
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Anyone can learn how to sing. For one person it might take longer than the other. In the end it all comes down to training, breathing techniques etc. |
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And some people never do (Trent Reznor) |
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So are you saying there is no skill involved? |
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I agree he's not a brilliant singer but in his case the "rawness" of his voice does the music justice in terms of expressing an emotion etc. (for diplomatic reasons I must not forget to add 'IMO' :P) Imagine Craig David singing 'Mr. Self Destruct' :\ |
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simply put, it is being good at something and being able to improvise. If you just play sheet music perfectly, but you couldn't make music even if someone threatened to "kill your moms" you aren't talented. It could be compared to Chrouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. A tiger knows the moves, but cannot improvise or make new moves.. the tiger only does katas. The dragon can improvise and make new moves. Talent CAN be achieved through practice and it CAN be something you're born with. |
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what? i like Trent Reznor's voice a lot... ' _ ' (you can criticize his lyrics' excessive eternal teenageangstiness as much as you want though!) |
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and a talent is "a unit of money used in certain ancient countries". =) (or a "special or very great ability".) (according to my dictionary.) |
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Heheh, I like NIN a lot, I just like to poke fun at him. |
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The more I think about it, I think that a skill is something you can learn, but a talent is something you are born with. Therefore, singing well or painting great art is a talent, and playing an instrument is a skill. Thoughts? |
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But not anyone can become world class at an instrument... some people have a truly awful sense of rhythm that no amount of practice can cure. Sure, there'll be some slight improvement if they stick at it, but some people will never be in the top100 in the world at it. There's a guy who lives near me who must of practiced the drums for at least an hour (more often two) a day for the past year and the improvement in his ability has been miniscule. I've spent a grand total of about 2 hours on drums in my life and I'm a far superior drummer to him. You could say I am more "talented" than him... |
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So would you agree, that to play a musical instrument well, there has to be an unlying 'talent' to start with? |
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Talent is an inate ability at something, however sometimes it can take a lot of development for that talent to be fully realised. If you don't have a high degree of natural aptitude at something then no matter how much you try you will never reach a level of recognisable talent in the mojoritys eyes, however as talent is related to artistry it is a highly subjective matter. You can't quantify talent. |
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Yes- I think a certain amount is "just there" whether it is due to genetics, your personality, influences based on how you were brought up or whatever, there are certain parts of a person's makeup that make them predisposed to skills in certain things. It extents to understanding too- some people can grasp certain concepts far easier than others, to me, relational database theory is so obvious that I find it hard to see how even a layman couldn't grasp it. On the other hand I found it very hard to "understand" certain aspects of physics, no matter how hard I tried. |
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majorities came out horribly wrong there :D |
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Sounds like a track title to me- "Mojo-rity" Imagine Austin powers style electro funk :P |
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haha...if they use that title now I can sue them and you can have 10% of the settlement for bringing the potential of the word to my attention :P |
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Based on that then, why do people unjustly 'slate' artists, for arguments sake, from the charts.....when there is a obviously some form of talent involved? I've seen it here before, people calling certain artists 'talentless.....can't sing for shit.....' but they can. |
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talent is somethign everyone has in varying degrees. there is no bar to vault before oyu "have talent". some are ok at guitar, some suck, some are excellent in their own different ways. but technical talent, ive found, is always second best to ideas and inspiration. take basquiat for example. |
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talented guy <------------ |
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I suppose because it's a less admirable talent to have a naturally great singing voice, which only requires singing lessons to hone it- it's a lot less work on their part (which I suppose is what we really admire in athletes/musicians/etc.) than say, a painter who has a natural eye for beauty, but who must spend 10+ hours a day practicing/working to produce his art. |
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like basquiat. |
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Imagine you chose tomorrow, to play an instrument that you had never tried before in your life, and you managed to play it successfully and rather good after say 4 years.....is that talent? |
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lots and lots of practice made him good... look at his later stuff, MUCH better drawn. not quite as shoddy or crude. he became much more... hmmmm detailed. |
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everyone has some skills , so everyone is talented in some way - its just that most of ppl dont realize this. |
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yes, its a general knack for figuring the music out. so yes, its a talent, albeit an non-specific one... which i find also to be the best kind. a general knack for art. |
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hyakusen: exactly. |
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I think its a skill, not a talent |
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good painet is painting good picture in one day. Normal person is doing the same , just not by one day but in 1 year. it is true - so who is not talented ? |
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so is there a difference? skill comes from honing a talent. |
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you see what im saying? its kind of one comes with the other. and time... it takes time. |
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I do understand what you are saying, but I don't think it applies always |
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well, everyone has a ceiling with how far they can take it... but potential is always there. some dont have the drive or effort to really make it "real", unfortunately. i see what you mean, its an intriguing discussion. i wish we could have different real life scenarios for a discussion likethis. |
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its all about time : talent is an ability to make something faster than anyone ales , and, sometimes , a little better. |
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Imagine you have these two identical twins, Bill and Bob. They both have pretty much identical genetics, upbringing, life experiences etc. On the day of their 12th birthday they both get identical guitars. They attend guitar lessons together and after 6 months, Bill is far better than Bob at the guitar. He is technically superior and his imnprovisational skills are already well developed. I would sy that Bill is more talented. |
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