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I hear that he got Richard devine to create a whole wealth of samples for him. Why do I have the feeling that this new CD is going to sound like Aphextwin with distortion? I'm really really disapointed about that band now, most of their cult following is a ton of slipknot retards and in the span of almost 10 years he release 1 new album. For someone that BORROWS a lot of ideas from underground acts, he sure does take his fucking time making a cd. ANYWAY I just looked at the sleeve for their newest remix album in which TELEFON TEL AVIV remixed some songs. They hardly give him any credit (Additional programming???) and you know for a fact that he did most of the track (Listen for yourself and you'll know what I mean...) Anyway I don't care if this album is worth the wait cause shits gonna hit the media fan and ruin everything for me anyway. Trent is going to be a huge pop icon this time round I fear ... BET YEAH 20 bucks!!!! |
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I try to look past the hype about him. Fact is, he did some great songs, that i still enjoy. Espicially from pretty hate machine. |
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I think he was a pop icon with closer, he won't be that again |
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Yeah, the guy was my childhood hero I guess. The only reason why I wanted to make my own music on computer was cause I admired him so much. Now its like NIN is fucking everwhere it sucks : | I wish he would kill the band off and start something new (That isnt TAPEWORM). Something where he would release more then 1 album a decade. Like his Piano shit is awesome he should just release some of that... |
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hey. he was The Dude for me when I was little too. But then my balls dropped. And then I heard Aphex Twin. |
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Heheh, i know what you mean. I used to like NIN because it was different from the usual guitar/bass/drum setup that I had listened to forever. But then lyrics became more important to me-- and eventually I discovered electronic music has been done better. |
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Same for me, they just still sort of have a place in my heart It was "aphex twin mix" on the further down the spiral album, that got me further, among other things. |
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It's funny seeing you staking a claim to Trent and whine about his other fans. I first got into NIN when you were probably a toddler and used to to be a time when my peers used to complain about teeny tots like yourself showing up for everything Trent. Get past it and over it. He doesn't just BORROW from the underground he has been an active participant and well spring of the many ideas that keep getting regurgitated in the so called underground. The time he takes on each release attests to the quality of each of these releases. If he was a fady sold out fat cash cow that you seem to be making him out to be, surely he will be cashing in and releasing music every so often to rake in the cash and not take his sweet old time each time. Plus the idea of Trent going solo is quite ridiculous. NIN IS Trent solo. The band is just rudimentary support crew. |
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heh, I just remembered I'm actually wearing a NIN shirt right now |
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I hope dr. dre does more production on sum phat drum traks! |
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I actually hadn't heard much NIN until well after I was into afx |
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Farrrrrrrrrrrrr better. Side by side Aphextwin is the better product. Even KMFDM has lost its pazazz (if they ever had any). Skinny Puppy still rules though : ) I guess we all have to grow up sometime I guess : | |
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KMFDM was the shit. I remember getting so pumped playing with my GIJOES to that guitar'd up mix of Juke Joint Jezebell on the Mortal Kombat Soundtrack. I think The Fragile was a disappointment in that it was a really sharpened, beautifully projected idea, it's just the idea itself was boring and meh. |
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blah... I like Hurt... other then that, Trent Reznor seems like big annoying whiner to me... just my opinion of course, if you like his music great... I don't want to start any brew hahas... but I can't stand him... |
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Personally I cant wait for the next release from Trent... he was so talked about on rec.music.industrial on the USENET they had to give him his own newsgroup. btw Trent was doing his own drill n bass experiments roughly around the same time when RDJ started dabbling in it. If you need proof listen to the tracks he made for the Lost Highway soundtrack released in 1996 the same time as the first RDJ drill n bass stuff started to appear. Granted the beats on these tracks were inspired by his long time opening act Alec Empire and ATR but why compare and match apples and oranges. RDJ's music comes from an entirely different emotional landscape than Trent Renzor's does. |
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Flea, Ive been listening to NINsince pretty hate machine... THERE WERE NO MORE ALBUMS BEFORE THAT. He was in a band called OPTION 30 prior to that then THE EXOTIC BIRDS. They sucked. I guess I am pretty ignorant for judging all NIN fans are dumb *shoots self in head* I'm not going to fight about this with you flea cause you don't seem know enough about the band to hold a decent argument (WHOOPS! Their goes that ignorant thing again) Shit wheres my thumb I need to suck it ... Yeah that dre thing was weird, I guess he was looking to get aylia to sing for him but then she died ... The Fragile was made by everyone who was in the band at that time. I met up with keith hilbrent outside a show once and he told me a ton of stories it was a dream come true : ) Everytime they talked about trent they seemed scared it was really funny as if he beated them or something ... lol |
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You think trent is a big annoying whiner, but of all songs, you like 'hurt'? man, haha, seems a little incaongruous. hurt is actually one of those couple of NIN songs I don't like :\ |
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KMFDM, GIJOES, SnakeEyes, A Red Marker *for blood, of course*, and maybe a Spawn Toy or two (when they just started coming out, took action figures to the next level), and BOOM! I gots myself an ass-kicking showdown! |
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I don't know, I've always liked it... it was probably the first song of his I had heard, so I hadn't developed a distaste for him till after that... :) also, the Johnny Cash version is kick ass!! Maybe even better (imo of course) then the original... |
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ak47 your totally right : ) |
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And then I'd play some songs off this Nothing Records Sampler my brother gave me, and I didn't even know it was SQUAREPSHER at the time, but, man, I remember getting some mad wars on to Massif (Stay Strong), fake-red-marker blood all over! |
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#Flea, Ive been listening to NINsince pretty hate machine... THERE WERE NO MORE ALBUMS BEFORE THAT. Well your year of birth being 1983, that makes you the first 7 year old to buy Pretty Hate Machine upon it's release. I first heard demo version of "Down In It" on college radio in 1989, first saw NIN live on the first Lollapalooza in 1990. I think that gives me a slight bit of a head start on you. That whole story about all the other band members contributing to Fragile is a bit of PR Excercise to Sell NIN as a proper ROCK BAND to all the kiddies unaccustomed to ideas of One Man Studio et al with a backing band to flesh out his idea. To our generation with other one man projects such as FOETUS commomnplace, he didn't have to sell the idea of solo performer very hard. |
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Sorry flea, you just totally blasted me in the face I was like "What the fuck?!" I was wrong for being a prick, SORRY : ) |
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And then my mom would come in all "Ross, turn that down! What is this? What are you doing? Is that red marker!?! You're going to get that in the carpet again! Give me that, turn that down, and clean this up!" My childhood ruled. |
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who cares who listened to NIN before who... does it really matter? No... it's not like because someone listened to something before someone else, that makes them an expert or something... |
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Chill dude, I had an older brother man !!!! Older brothers always show you the cool stuff before all your friends (can anyone agree on this with me?) OK OK whatever Im an idiot but I TALKED TO THE BAND, so they gave me a wad of PR crap? Chill, its ok man ... simmer |
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No, Funkmaster. That is what it's like. You hear it first and BOOM. Expert immediately. |
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I know what yer talking about Oxyfad. I had two older brothers so BOOM, I'm twice as hip as kids my age. One brother is in a band signed to Anti-Flag's label. The other is the coolest person ever. I totally understand. |
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BOOM. Four times! |
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ANYWAY all I want to get across is that I think the new album will be a complete IDM in trents eyes insane fest, and everyone is going to be stroking their chins yapping "This guy is amazing" cause he was big around the same time as Kurt. And everyone eats up Cobain. YIKES I'm just digging a big whole here arnt I ?! lol! *Grabs wimps GI JOES* |
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Bitch, don't be touchin my SnakeEyes! |
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ok, first., who gives a fuck about who heard nin first, i didnt start getting into them until around 1999-2000.. and it wasnt from hearing them on radio or whatever (and who cares if it was?).. i just walked into the cd store one day and thought to myself 'i'm gonna check out this nin band' and picked up the downward spiral.. took it home and i liked it.. and i really like the fragile.. not just because it's reznor's work, but because its a well-produced well written album.. i dont pay attention to lyrics so i dont give a fuck about what he's on about.. all i know is he's a damn good songwriter/producer/etc .. and yes, i do also love pretty hate machine + broken + etc.. and who cares if he's getting some popularity? goddamn, just because something sells really well, doesnt mean it sucks and you shouldn't be caught listening to it.. i think everyone should stop being so fucking elitist, it really pisses me off and i'm sure a lot of other people get pissed off too.. sorry this was my big vent against idm snobs., but i do agree that trent's piano tracks are fucking awesomahj |
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yep, I agree with that |
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i completely disagree with your point oxygenfad... i think trents popularity is definately descending, but i believe his best music is yet to come |
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whether or not the new NIN album is good or not will depend on Reznor's ability to go out and have some new shit happen to him so he can write about something at least slightly different than deep down broken spiral pigs. |
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Predictions for the new album: -Most of the songs will feature sparse, minimal electronic sounds (as has been rumoured), and semi-dramatic arraingments. -Mr. Devine will mostly provide insane glitchy sounds that act as transitions between tracks, as well as random scatterings throughout. -The album will feature more piano than previous albums, with the piano being accompanied by the minimal electronic sounds mentioned above. -Mr. Reznor will have been defeated by his inability to surpass the subject matter that has been beaten to death on previous albums, and will spend this album rolling around in agony and letting his listeners know all about his problems in a non-specific fashion to ensure thousands of goth-kids will be able to convince themselves that the songs were made for them and their problems - quotes will appear on profiles throughout the internet. -There will be included the traditional vulgar track designed for airplay and play on television in the form of a video - it will be better disguised than it was on The Fragile. |
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how funny is the lyric "i think you owe me a great big apology" great big. hahahaha only sallys and second greaters say great big. p.s. i love nine inch nails with a passion. |
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Take the angst out of NIN, and there's a fucking great artist there. But I can't get through the angst barrier. I couldn't care if you cut yourself, mate, talk about something else for ONCE. |
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Where is there any mention of this upcoming NIN album? Any links? |
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once more than three people are aware of a band i am obliged to discount them as sold-out mainstream filth. it kinda sucks, but, that's the price you pay for being as über cutting-edge as myself. *goes back to listening to mamford drugahn III's ode to the wood nymphs* |
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Likes looks like the people on the island have a strong opinion about it lol! It's just opinions folks don't reem me for it : ) |
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"deep down broken spiral pigs. " WAHAHAA! I don't know if you've been to north america recently but MTV fucked the shit up : \ Everyone is fake and doesnt embrace anything. Its all KILL KILL SEX SEX GO BUY BAND SHIRTS..... anyway forget it , |
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Flea, i don't think the guys age has much to do with him being into NIN, it is possible that he could not at that age grasp the meaning of the tracks, b ut he could certainly understand that they could be meaningfull. for example,. at age ten i was an avid collector of bands like depeche mode, pet shop boys, new order and eraasure. I saw my first dm show at age nine i and i loved it. however, i don't feel that i was mature enough to really get right with it. nonetheless being into that music at such a young age has given me a tremendous amount of musical insight down the road of life, a favorite example would be when i use to slam down afx tracks at house parties to shocked-ass gangsters, really freaking them out... |
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I'm speechless. What a lot of use of time here. |
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eww keith is a poseur! i talked with him to, all he was interested in was picking up chicks! |
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why when someone/something gets popular it somehow ruins the idea or the original feeling you got about it? if anything, i feel good that his music is touching a broader audience. |
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NEW NINE INCH NAILS????? shit anybody got a towel? ..is that telefon tel aviv song on Things Falling Apart? |
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people like to prove their uniqueness by listening to unknown bands. once the band is mainstream they are no longer unique, and need to move on to more obscure bands. |
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it's the same reason people like having shoes nobody else wears, or sweet 50's style black rimmed glasses, or jet black hair with a neon purple streak down the front. it's an establish yourself from the herd type deal. |
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For me, I think it has more to do with change in feeling between before and after. Before a band becomes mainstream, it has a more closed and isolated feeling about it as you really probably won't hear, except in the very rare case or if you go looking for it, anyone even mention them (especially if you stay inside and away from people). This allows you to create their own opinion of the music and keep it intact due to the lack of influence of others. Once it becomes mainstream, it's very hard to block out all of what is said about the band. Suddenly everyone has an opinion of it, whether good or bad, and everywhere you go you're bombarded by them. Most all opinions will at least have some vague aspect of truth to them, and it could be extremely difficult not to be influenced by them. Then there could be the people who you happen to feel like the music for all the wrong reasons ("they've got nice hair", "funny lyrics", etc.) and could care less about how skillfully the composition of the music was constructed, and this bothers you because they're not giving the music the respect it deserves, then they become plentyful and somehow make the band into something that it really isn't. All of these things just feel like pieces of what you had previously thought are being chipped away... and in my opinion, it does make the music less enjoyable. It's like having thousands of people each put a grain of sand in your icecream - you can pick out a few grains, but after so many, it's ruined. (sorry this is probably badly written) |
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