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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-13 15:48 [#00901053]
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following thought came on my mind while driving home today (thats right, i think sometimes hehe)
i went shopping, and i bought latest tindersticks album (which somehow i forgot about, but luckly ophecks reminded me of it yesterday) and was listening to it while driving home and it is really beautiful music, but it has that certain melanholic, sad, touch to it. and i was thinking why am i always (mostly) buying this melanholic music, films (other stuff i bought today: cd - the walkabouts/trail of stairs, dvd's:koyaanisqatsi, powaqqatsi, insomnia (the original version), and kaurismaki's "the man without the past...everything pretty much with that same sad, melancholic feel to it).
(i was thinking a little about this already a while ago, when i was with some people and it was up to me to play the music we were mostly listening as a background...anyway, they said its all nice and beautiful music, but somehow they find it depressing...and mind, i was playing all kinds of music from electronica to rock but everything with that same sad feel to it)
what is it about this melanholic art that i like so much...why cant i enjoy the happy stuff the same way (there are some exceptions ofcourse)?
is it easier to make GOOD sad/melanholic music, films,...than a good happy/positive music, films, etc.?
is this just up to every individual and their mood and perception?
and finally a little poll :) - what kind of stuff do you prefer : sad or happy? :)
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APeSHiTZ
from ¤BANgbANG¤ on 2003-10-13 15:52 [#00901058]
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Chaotic music makes the adrenalin gushin shit hit the fan with me .... prolly why i like Digital Hardcore music so much ... and also why i get horney as hell to double bass.......
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Q4Z2X
on 2003-10-13 15:54 [#00901062]
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there's so much more sadness to be expressed artistically than happy go lucky shit.. it seems like the best way to express happiness is with a smile, not artistically..
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-10-13 15:56 [#00901065]
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It's up to your perception and your mood on to what you create.
I find that i tend towards both, but my music is quite tense or meloncholy.
But i love some real happy tunes:
Roygbiv is one of my favorite tracks ever and it's a very beautiful euphoric tune.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-10-13 15:57 [#00901067]
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SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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aphextriplet
from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2003-10-13 16:09 [#00901079]
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im more creative when im sad. But im also less motivated. Im more productive when im happy, but i also sleep with 50 year old women
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-13 16:17 [#00901088]
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"there's so much more sadness to be expressed artistically than happy go lucky shit"
another thought...nothing i hate more than to see a director/music maker to try and create sad/melanholic stuff and they have no idea of how to do that so they use bunch of sterotyps and totally fuck up a piece and make it look funny and stupid.
i remember, i once read an interview with one of our pop stars and he said something like "i could go and create some sad songs that would touch everyones heart and would make the critics shut up (as they are not to fond of his music, tho some stuff is pretty decent)"
but, im not sure if it is really that easy to make this sad stuff...i mean most of this stuff i listen/watch to makes me feel good somehow, but there is also plenty of artists doing sad music/films which i just cant dig, some of it even makes me depressed...
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Q4Z2X
on 2003-10-13 16:31 [#00901102]
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which pop star said that?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-13 16:34 [#00901106]
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our local pop-star (jan plestenjak) he makes decent music actually, but he's playing on his look pretty much as well...its helping the sale figures a lot
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uzim
on 2003-10-13 16:35 [#00901108]
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i listen to sad when i'm sad and happy when i'm happy... (yeah, rocket science isn't it ; )) sometimes happy when i'm sad but it doesn't work that well...
anyway ~ i like some sad music (as long as it's most abstract... Ã la f#a#infinity by Godspeed You Black Emperor!, which is depressing but abstract so that's good... unlike Mom & Dad by Frank Zappa for example), but i've come to HATE sad stories (of any kind). i always get so sick when characters i like die or something and all i want is to erase the memory from my mind, but it stays whatever i try... i hate it when the authors do that.
now i don't care anymore if a sad movie (for example...) is a masterpiece or not, whenever it's depressing ~ i don't want to see it.
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uzim
on 2003-10-13 16:35 [#00901109]
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(i was more "open-minded" towards sadness before but now i'm just fed up with being sick with all that ' _ ')
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-13 16:39 [#00901112]
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did your mood change in any way since you stopped watching depressing stuff?
i was thinking about this as well, but i always get kind of scared of what i'd miss if i stopped watching/listening sad stuff...
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S M Pennyworth
from East Timor on 2003-10-13 16:50 [#00901127]
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being simply mellow is the tish
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uzim
on 2003-10-14 05:50 [#00901516]
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well, i think i'm going better... : )
"i always get kind of scared of what i'd miss if i stopped watching/listening sad stuff..."
> weird. °_°
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Earthworm_HO
from blu haha on 2003-10-14 06:00 [#00901525]
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i have no personality and no mood as well
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Jaysuz Jones
from Wasaga Beach (Canada) on 2003-10-14 06:09 [#00901536]
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*chimes on monotonly*
ditto.
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Jaysuz Jones
from Wasaga Beach (Canada) on 2003-10-14 06:30 [#00901555]
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'Tis better to be happy than sad...
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Jaysuz Jones
from Wasaga Beach (Canada) on 2003-10-14 06:30 [#00901556]
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...unless one cannot find reason to be happy.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2003-10-14 06:44 [#00901561]
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It's better to be sad if you're a tormented artist who writes poetry in a weblog.
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nacmat
on 2003-10-14 07:31 [#00901579]
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sad
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-10-14 07:34 [#00901581]
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it depends on my mood! right now... at the very moment.. I'm more into non-happy stuff.
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Erronous
from Netherlands, The on 2003-10-14 07:37 [#00901583]
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i prefer sad music
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roer-ei
from Netherlands, The on 2003-10-14 08:16 [#00901603]
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i'm getting a bit pissed of with some the "sad" stuff lately
and it seems like all the happy music ultimately is just pop
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-10-14 10:04 [#00901670]
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99% of the music I listen to is ''sad'' or melancholic. So I have no idea why I'm such a huge Beatles fan. They're about the only consistently positive band I listen to on a regular basis.
Happy = wimpy, nobody wants to be a wimp. You've got to be an underground badass.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-14 16:16 [#00902170]
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hmm, yeah, must be something wrong with me
for real, i watch comedies and i have great fun doing that but its nothing memorable at the end...no beauty, its good only for a good laugh (which is great), there are quite some comedies that i liked a lot (dr.strangelove, everything by coen brothers, tarantino's films + plenty more), but there's way more melanholic beautiful films, and most of my movie collection is sad stuff...
when it comes to music, i actually cant tell what would be happy music, i guess everything appart from melanholic/sad, so in that case i also like happy tunes, but again, the majority is sad stuff
well...
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big
from lsg on 2003-10-14 16:28 [#00902186]
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i think peel session 1 by autechre is very emotional, i listen to it alot again, only tracks 1 and 2 though, oddly enough
good music should make you wanna cry i can cry to any good music though, like really loud stuff too
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-14 16:35 [#00902189]
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crybaby :)
i dont cry really, i remember last time i cried was about 15 years ago when my dog died
but some film scenes can bring a tear in my eye - it never happens with music tho, i just get that great warm feeling...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-15 17:48 [#00903468]
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look, things are going better, i bought one not so sad cd today (magnolia score) :) feeling happy already, tho i doubt i'll be listening to it musch, its not as good as i though it would be - well some songs are nice, but the rest is quite boring, so perhaps its just a fact i like sad stuff more...
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big
from lsg on 2003-10-15 18:00 [#00903481]
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is that dog your avatar, that'd be sweet :*)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-15 18:04 [#00903488]
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actually, this in my avatar is the last one i had...died when he was 1 year old :(
the one from 15 years ago was the same breed and that one died at very young age as well (i think he was about a year and a half)
no luck with dogs...
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big
from lsg on 2003-10-15 18:33 [#00903547]
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:*( maybe you'd want to go for a new family
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big
from lsg on 2003-10-15 18:33 [#00903548]
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of dogs i mean
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k_maty
on 2003-10-15 18:43 [#00903560]
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i listen to track 3 on peel sessions the most
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-10-16 02:41 [#00903880]
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i'll keep away from dogs for a while...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-02 17:39 [#01096632]
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im in a melancholic mood again...all this melanchlic stuff i listen to, all these malancholic films i watch to...it's just making me, umm, well melancholic :) it doesn't really bother me, but im getting this feeling lately that i just can't have proper fun anymore...i mean i can have fun with people i can have fun watching comedies, but couple of hours after the party or film i start feeling sad and melancholic again...it just appears that im not a happy person for some reason. thank god there's so many artists into melancholic stuff hehe, at least i can enjoy that :)
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nacmat
on 2004-03-02 17:43 [#01096635]
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sad
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-02 17:44 [#01096637]
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8-)
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-02 17:45 [#01096638]
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Prefer happy music.
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