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So whats your opinion on file sharing, ie kazaa and all those p2p. i ask becuase my dad is freaking out and threatening to shut off the dsl modem if i dont stop downloading stuff. i personally think its rediculous, because the people who get arrested deserve it because the only way the gov't knows that they have the files is that theyre stupid enough to share like 1000's or mp3s. i say we have to continue downloading, or else were just playing into the gov'ts hands and they win. well thats the end of my pseudo-rant. lets hear urs |
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It wrong and the Feds will catch you all eventually. |
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You're doomed hedphukkerr, your dad's right, maybe I should 'share' your mums dildo? Did I just type that?? Sorry, you're right, stealing is fun! |
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Laws will have to get extremely sophisticated if they will keep up with the insane computer evolution that is just now barely ignited. Soon there will be machines building themselves using evolution so that even the programmers don't know everything about them just like a biological creature. I don't really care about file sharing now. It doesn't effect me much because I'm not a huge devourer of popular music. Plus I probably make enough money myself now without ever caring about making money from music, so I'm not against it just for my own greedy insignificant potential that I might sell something in the future. |
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i love it. :D if i could afford to purchase cds i just might - but seeing as i am unemployed and still in school, i dont think ill be able to afford purchasing all of the wonderful music i easily get exposed to via p2p networks. |
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Well I think Laws will have to get extremely sophisticated if they will keep up with the insane computer evolution that is just now barely ignited. Soon there will be machines building themselves using evolution so that even the programmers don't know everything about them just like a biological creature. I don't really care about file sharing now. It doesn't effect me much because I'm not a huge devourer of popular music. Plus I probably make enough money myself now without ever caring about making money from music, so I'm not against it just for my own greedy insignificant potential that I might sell something in the future. So you may be doomed but it is fun and maybe I should share your mums dildo... Did I just say that?? I love it though, if I could afford to purchase CD's I just might. But then the fun of stealing would be gone. In conclusion I think I might be becoming symmetrical. |
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Ah, good. I influenced you with my memes. |
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I love it and hate it... I am pissed off cos I always download things I would've/should've bought then can't justify spending the money on the CD... In the long run I'm dead against it - Although I admit I use slsk all the time and have found tonnes of great music I'd never have heard otherwise... But if it's taking money out of the scene (which I think it is - VASTLY!) then that can only be bad. I fear that if it's not sorted out music will oly be viable as a hobby for students - I mean, it's already getting that way... The fact is - To do something well and really take your "art" to new levels, you do need 100% dedication and lots of time and freedom - Fashion designers, film makers, etc... can all make decent livings from their work/art - It's unfair if fileshareing stops that being a reality for electronic musicians. So - I love being able to download music - But at the same time, if I had the chance to press a button and stop the whole thing for good I definetly would. |
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I thought it was interesting how they were trying to force record companies to issue a liscense for the P2P thing, similar to when a track is played on radio, the writer of the music recieves something. The artist should get something and music should be enjoyed, this blame game is sooo mis directed. |
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Well this is the result of computer evolution. You can't really fight the fact that an album or a track simply has significantly less economic value now. Supply and demand? How much is a stream of 1's and 0's worth now adays in an age where storage devices and computers are aplenty... it seems all artists must become hobbyists, although obviously there are some like n'sync that still make money, and make it big. It might just be that there is so much demand to be in such a position that it takes lucky political connections to land it. Just being famous can make you rich because of memes. That's why advertising is so expensive.? Well.. autechre has made a lot of money and probably without political connections (maybe or maybe not), but they might have just done the right thing at the right time... like their music sort of started a whole craze of intricate sound creating hobbies so maybe their music was neat enough just to spread by word of mouth? I'll shut up now. |
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where does the money go? where should it go? do the artists you download deserve any money at all? if you like it fucking well buy it. this is to do with morals for fucks sake. we're caught in a trap. you can d/l anything you want and you can buy anything you want. its up to you. power is in our hands. it may not always be so make the fucking most of it. |
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well i normally download cds because i cant afford them. for hannuka every year i get one cd per night, thats normally when i buy all those cds that i download that i like. |
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this summer whenever i was on soulseek--which was only when i was downloading, i didn't leave on--i was sharing 1000s of mp3's and thought it was pretty nice of me. the RIAA are just being clever about forcing out competition from indie labels (who rely on p2p to introduce their music/artists to the world) since people are so sick of mainstream garbage and are starting to either not buy it or just burn it because most of the disc is shit. emusic.com was cool for giving artists/labels $ while having a great download policy, but that's over now (see fleetmouse's thread). it's a tough call because there will always be non-supporters (ppl who never will buy it regardless of how much they enjoy it) but i think p2p has done a good job of spreading good music which will lead to increased interest from concert promoters, magazines, hollywood, etc. and eventually start making artists some profit. it's a tough and uncertain period right now but i believe it'll turn out well for independent artists. |
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I used to/do tape soo much music from the radio, actually owning something is far more personal but if it's just okay, it is throwaway. |
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Instead of restate everything he said, I will say that I totally agree with J swift. |
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Yeah true - There is a LOT of throwaway music being made these days! I think Ilkae's album was the last thing I REALLY liked - But I couldn't buy that anyway - Couldn't find anywhere stocking it - Think it was a limited run... To me, it just seems there's too much batty music being made these days. |
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Ahh ;) |
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Do you mean 'Batty' as a Jamaican pseudonym for a gay male? |
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hahaha |
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im in the clear, cause i only share live sets, cd covers and videos :P anyways: i see a bright future for P2P, record companies should not fight it, but buy into it....theres billions to be made in the P2P industry. just imagine the profits if they charged 99c for each song. just watch, in 5 years record companies will be praising P2P, saying "its the best thing to come since VHS (video tapes) |
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they'll get you for live sets i'm sure.. with metallica it was fair game; maverick just made deftones take off their live mp3's from their site; radiohead live mp3's rarely last more than 3 days on the web.. etc. but this is irrelevant anyway, i doubt the RIAA will go after slsk because they don't care about indies (who they don't represent, for the most part) |
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yeah i guess your right titsworth |
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when i take a look around my room, and look at all the records i have bought in the last year, many of which, i would have not gotten were it not for file-sharing... and then i look at friend's record collections, and the releases they have purchased because they heard them through me (mp3s i have acquired, records i have bought, cd's i've burned)... it's no question, that filesharing has helped the independent music industry with regards to myself and many many acquaintances |
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deadeight is dead right! kill me please |
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i am not a big fan of downloading stuff. certainly not music anyway. i can (just about) afford it, so i buy everything that i can afford. which is about £50 per week, about 4 albums/ 8 singles. plus i really love vinyl, so to me downloading is not really an option. but at the same time, downloading puts all the shit in the charts. reasons for more "underground" acts not being in the charts is because of downloading. thats why you get the likes of s club 7 at number 1 in the charts. that kind of music appeals to a younger crowd, who do not have access to computers and the knowledge of how to go about downloading their tunes. if downloads were made eligible for chart positions, then the charts would be a completely different situation. there, rant over. |
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(that could have been a good arnold one-liner, if it isn't already) |
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Adapt or get out of the way. |
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good |
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Nah, I mean batty like a batty old granny... To me, batty music is like music that only makes sense on acid or DMT. But yeah, should've made that a little more clear! You certainly don't hear much gay Jamaican IDM at the moment. |
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I'll tell ya the problem - There's too many of us (including myself I have to admit), who kind of expect everything to be avaliable for free - Which is great in the short-term - But in the long-term, when there is no money in being an artist or running a label, there'll be no decent music and just billions of hours of unoriginal undeveloped stuff to trawl through... I mean, I've heard the demos that get sent to my mates' label and there's only the odd 1 in 100 that actually has any substance - I heard something SO unbelievably bad the other day too! I'd love to say who it's by but my friend who reviewed it on the web's been getting death threats lately! |
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Oh yeah, I'll tell ya what'll happen - Serious producers/musicians just won't do IDM/electronica cos they won't be able to justify the time... So they'll go and produce straight-up dance music and hope to sell to DJ's. Myself, I'd be off producing black music like (real)hiphop, jazz influenced stuff, soul, etc... My 2nd love outside of electronica - But in general people into that kind of music aren't into the internet, so you can never find it on search engines like kazza/slsk - But they're able to make a decent living out of it. I'm kind of worried that the nature of the typical IDM listener may be inadvertantly what kills the scene... Maybe I'm just worrying and ranting too much! |
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I think you should calm down abit, the thing we want is a self furfilling prophecy. But it can be a worry can't it. |
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Fill your boots, if your in it for the money you should be drug out into the street and shot. If people arn't buying your CDs fix the problem and make it so they will buy it !!! Seriously, how many people are going to buy the next AFX without getting some sort of confirmation that it isnt "Smojphace 2" ??? Some, but not everyone on this board. When VHS came out everyone thought the world was going to end, same shit here bro's, it will work out for everyone and it aint I TUNES lol. |
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very good idea... file sharing |
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I think it is a great thing, because without it I would not have know a lot of very good artists |
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this board often is very offensive against folks who use p2p extensivly, thats why it is a very silent majority. |
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you really think that this MB is against file sharing? |
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idm is enough unpopular as it is...if there wasnt sharing it would be all down to a few thousand fans...or we would all be listening only to drukqs |
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Yep - for me p2p is great for getting throwaway music. Disposable pop stuff that I know I'll get sick off in two months time when the radio/mtv/adverts have used it to death... My other main use is seeing if a release is good enough to buy/if I like it. Almost 1/4 of my music collection has been bought as a result of DLing something, then liking it so much that I got the album. I think electronic labels are generally pretty wise to this and I have a lot of respect for rephlex/mu for making mp3s available. I don't think I would of bought astrobotnia (despite the hype) unless I had heard those mp3s they made available. J Swift: I reckon that people need to DL electronic music to hear it- unlike the other genres you mentioned, electronic music gets next to no airplay on mtv/radio, the fans are generally few and far between (I'd say most people here only have one or two real world friends, tops, that like it as much as them) so there is no chance of hearing it over a mate's house etc. The number of times I've heard from people here that they got into electronica either by accidentally DLing a track on p2p or from doing a search for "Aphex Twin" in google and ending up at aphextwin.nu is staggering. I know without the internet I almost certainly wouldn't be into it. Sometimes, when money is tight, I'll postpone buying a release I have DLed and listen to regularly for a couple of months, but I almost always end up buying it if I do listen to it a lot. The other thing is old/rare releases- no way am I going to pay £200 on ebay for some releases... p2p lets me hear those tracks. I think the only perhaps "unethical" way I use p2p aside from warez (although most software comes under my next point too) is to dl some music I will not buy, but I won't delete either. Some stuff is good enough that I listen to it every now and then, but that I can honestly say I wouldn't buy it if the mp3s weren't available. THis sort of stuff I consider on par with the sort of music traditionally people would just k |
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people would just keep a tape copy off or borrow from their flatmates from time to time without ever feeling the need for getting their own copy. I think the people that are ruining it for everyone are those who buy used to buy music a lot, but largely due to p2p have stopped or at least greatly decreased their buying. If people can honestly say, "I buy the same/more music since p2p came about." I don't see how anyone can have a problem with it. |
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file-sharing works against the money hungry fuckers, which is why I love it. |
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If I had the money, I would buy all my music. |
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But I don't have any money, and I'm still in school. |
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Oh yeah you're very right - I've actually managed to get into a whole load of new music from being able to download like that... My problem with it is that if I really like something I'll want to download all the tracks and then it'll be hard to justify buying the album - Cos I'm poor at the moment too! And the crap thing is I end up with a lot of mp3's and not many proper CD's - And there is something less "throwaway" about actually owning a CD - Even more so with vinyl I guess. I've always found album artwork and presentation adds to music a lot - I don't think albums like FSOL's ISDN would have made so much sense if I'd have just downloaded a bunch of mp3's - But the whole style and package of that album, with the little booklet and everything is awesome... I kind of figure it'd be best if singles were avaliable to download for free - To check people out and stuff - Then you HAD to go and buy the album to actually own the whole thing - I know it'd be more hassle in some ways but otherwise it puts me, and a lot of others, in this awkard situation. |
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That's a good point- a lot of folks with 5000+ mp3s are kids who genuinely couldn't afford to buy all that music. |
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i'd like to see some actual statistics regarding the effect of p2p on album sales. anyone know where i can see this? |
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the general attitude - yes its dominated by a loud minority though |
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The problem with copyright law, is that it is now possible for intellectual property to retain it's copyright well over 100 years. it's something like the life of the originator plus 70 years right now. the big joke is, that every time disney is about to lose their copyright for Mickey Mouse (this year, 2003, for example, disney was going to lose their copyright on the mouse) Disney pads the pockets of politicians to pass extentions on copyright law. So p2p sharing may be against the law, but the law itself is broken. overextending copyright law causes a stalemate in the progression of intellectual property. there are many very interesting articles on the subject. go to google and search copyright law+disney or do searches on "Open source" and "copyleft" , a new movement in public domain intellectual property. |
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