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in a monotheistic religion, there is but one god. Adherents of this religion believe there is only one god - their god. This leads to arrogance and condescension when they are confronted with religions which do not worship their god, or have many gods they worship. How does the Monotheistic believer view these other religious adherents? Sometimes, they believe that the other worshippers are just damned - this is the arrogance. Sometimes they believe that the other worshippers are 'misguided' or 'deluded' (and sometimes they take a further step in trying to change the other worshippers to their religion) - this is the condescension. These, to me, are the major flaws to a monotheistic religion. |
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burn religion! |
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Do not anger with your blasphemy. |
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religion is just a huge human invention... why can we all understand that? |
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please - that statement will just lead us down the road of my previous thread concerning aspects of religion. I'm making specific points here, so don't undermine my thread and play into the hands of Religious folk who will use your statement as a catalyst to rant on about it. |
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because some of us need religion. if not for just explaining never-to-be-answered questions, then for a firm holding-point in our lives. I'm a buddhist, by the way. |
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there's nothing worng with religion, as long as it's not forced down your throat Belive what you wanna belive and worship what you want to worship, but don't go toonuts ! |
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buddhism is an interesting philosophy - I don't like to call it a religion, because I don't believe it has a god-head. Did you read those texts on sacred-texts at all? |
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sorry. about what you said. in fact when I was at school my teachers (it was a religious school) told me that I had to spread the word of God, so if I had friends who werent religious or even if they had other religion I was supposed to let them know the "right" way... spanish killed lots of natives in southamerica when the conquer of that continent under the name of God. in school I was tought that any person who had another religion couldnt go to heave... I always found that so supid and elitist |
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I respect your beliefs. in my opinion buddhism is a human invention too... ther is no god in my opinion, but at least, I think that the diference whith buddhism is that its a much more respectful religion than what catholism is. because buddhism seem to have a deep respect towards other religions and believes, which catholics dont seem to have (many times) |
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yeah, well.. there ARE gods in buddhism. The same gods as in hinduism. The difference is that they are perishable... they can be killed, and therefore are "lesser" than gods in a way... |
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Religion causes nothing but fights. See later, at approximately message # 35, when this thread will turn into a fight. |
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But I do enjoy and agree with what Marlowe is saying. Nacmat too. |
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A lot of religions have mortal gods. All the Greek and Egyptian Gods were mortal, and were believed to be dead when in Antiquity. In fact, there are many graves of Gods in Egypt. Some gods even have more than one! :D |
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And, yes. Buddhism isn't a "missionary" religion. Just like islam. The respect in buddhism comes from not hurting living things. |
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You're saying Islam isn't a missonary religion? I must of imagined the muslim guys in town trying to get people to convert :) |
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Yes they get others to join them but they don't go and try to convert the heathen natives. Those guys in town don't impose their will on us like the Catholic Church in Africa. |
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fleetmouse > that Hubert is wonderful!!! ^^ hilarious... about religion, well - i think logically, non-fanatic (well, at least... people accepting other religions etc.!) people aren't 100% sure of their belief in one only god etc (so they accept other points of view with a quite open mind)... or/and they don't mind other people being "wrong" according to them (which i guess is ok as long as they believe in a loving, very tolerant etc. god who wouldn't mind a lot if people are "wrong", but if they believe in a severe god that demands lots of sacrifices and obligatory prayers beliefs and stuff either you go to hell, i think the religious would care much more about people being "wrong" or not!... unless, of course, they don't care at all if the others go to hell or not (which may be better for the others, i think!!) but then it becomes a bit weird maybe: a god who asks people to go to the church every sunday morning, to not masturbate, never use the name of god abusively (like, OMG!!!) etc... is rather severe, isn't it? a massive lot of people would go to hell... yeah, of course, i guess it's why they invented forgiveness/salvation etc., otherwise people would give up and say "i'm going to hell anyway so why bother"... plus it makes the business of the religious...) hum... there is also a bit of blur in all this, but i think religion is a pretty much well-made machine.... (not like this paragraph ; )) |
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mortal gods? that's interesting! =) |
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One such monotheistic religion, Christianity, states quite clearly that no other god can be recognised |
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why cant people accept that the fact that some questions cant be answered.. |
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now that, JAroen, is a very good question. why can't some people just accept uncertainty (i already asked myself the same thing... ; )) |
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....maybe something to do with instinct or god or genetics or whatever you want it to be - that makes us "advance", make things, search things... if we were accepting uncertainty, ignorance, loss, etc. easily, we would probably be a lot more lazy and wouldn't have any computers nor advanced science etc... (me, for example, i think i can quite cope with incertainty. and i am very very lazy.) |
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i've never seen it like that! |
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i've thought about this many times.. and i made my own 'religion'.. because a lot of other religions require certain rules to be followed.. or deities to be worshipped (even in the sense of going to church, that too is worshipping in a way...) for me, there's just some things you can never know for sure (like what happens after death, what lies 'behind' the universe, where the universe will end etc.) Call me ignorant, but i always try to explain things in a way that takes the smallest effort and can be explained in the most logical way. if you understand what i mean. basically i only believe in me. dunno if thats right, but it fits me fine |
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I think religion was invented because there are questions that can't be answered. It makes humans very uncomfortable. |
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eh sorry.. what do you mean? |
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but self-belief also raises questions that cannot be answered. Any Belief System is exposed to questions that cannot be answered. But I'm not dealing with those, as I'm aware of questions which cannot be answered, which is why I don't bring them up. |
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yeah and that is my point, i think that we need to understand that some questions cannot be answered in a logical way, without making up stories. please note: i am NOT trying to diss religious people. Threads about beliefs always end in flames.. im just trying to explain my point of view here |
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i don't believe in belief : ) |
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oh sorry. (im going on a posting spree here ...) ill stick to the topic: you are right. thats all i can say about it basically its really a bad thing that people always want to convince others of following a certain religion, to please their deities |
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Religion is a natural progression from primitive magic. It wasn't just invented like that, out of thin air. Primitive magic came about in an attempt to answer questions they couldn't answer - such as, why does the sun move and disappear sometimes (same with the moon), what are stars, why do crops grow, things like that. A common root is the Vegetation Spirit - the spirit they believed made their corn grow - they invented certain rites to ensure good crops -- gradually, as they became more sophisticated, they gave character to these spirits, and began worshipping them. So, from a starting point of an unconscious spirit which could be controlled simply by adhering to certain rituals, they gave birth to a conscious god-figure, which was fickle and which demanded more than mindless ritual to be appeased. All religion with a long history began this way. |
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i.e. uncertain about everything, not even certain of uncertainty... i feel comfortable this way |
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thanks.. it facinates me how religions 'grow' through time we did something about that once in school, but i hardly pay attention so i only got a small bit of it |
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I feel the best way is just to observe and educate yourself. There will always be questions unanswerable whilst alive in this realm. But there are many questions which ARE answerable, especially concerning Religion. Study of the history of Religion can help to clear up many murky aspects in your mind. Study of comparative religion can build a mental map of their relationships with one another and their context. |
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It's an extremely fascinating area of study, and very relevant. Armed with such knowledge, you can peel away the fabrications of a religion and be left with a common root. |
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part one there was a mind, who existed in solitude. it's name was marlowe. when marlowe became aware that it had formed, it recognized that it was totally alone. marlowe struggled with its creative impulses, straining to understand how to use its awareness. first, flickering images that represented itself formed. then, the images of others emerged. eventually, marlowe learned to dream, and the images of others became minds and individuals within the dream world who lived various lives. in an act of profound benevolence, marlowe extended permanence to these dream minds by speaking their names, and the minds became real, no longer bound by the dream world that marlowe had created. these dream minds made real were called the nacmat. once real, the nacmat were endowed with the same creative power of marlowe, and as they discovered the depth of their gift, more dreaming minds formed within them, until the nacmat too extended the gift that was given them and gave reality and creative power to the dream minds within them. this process continued for millions of years, until there was a break in the chain. one of the dream minds, when made real, recognized the chain of extending creativity and decided that instead of granting reality to the dream minds within itself, it would deny them the gift of creative energy and keep it for itself, attempting to break away from marlowe. this mind's name was jaroen. jaroen believed that in doing so, it could become more powerful than even marlowe. jaroen believed that it created reality, but created only dream worlds. believing that it had awakened to its own power, jaroen instead lay trapped in slumber. the minds trapped within jaroen were called the uzim. |
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part two as the uzim within jaroen grew, some became aware that they existed only as dreams within this sleeping mind, and some worshipped jaroen, believing that he represented the original creative mind of marlowe. some uzim believed that their dream world was the only reality, and that jaroen was just a vivid projection of their imagination. other uzim had a variety of ideas and theories concerning their situation. the uzim became divided against themselves, and fought over their dreamworld, causing tremendous suffering. as jaroen slept, their dream world was like a wilderness in which the sun that was meant to bring them light burned them, and the seas that were meant to bring them sustenance drowned them. some of the uzim cursed jaroen for their suffering. jaroen became aware that it had made a mistake, but remained conflicted by a lust for power, and incorrectly believing that it was cut off from marlowe, and unable to hear marlowe's voice in slumber, jaroen became consumed with guilt. unable to hear marlowe's words of forgiveness and comfort, jaroen's slumber continued since it did not know how to escape the dream. but marlowe, in its wisdom, had anticipated the problem the uzim and jaroen faced. marlowe knew that what jaroen had done was not a flaw in marlowe's gift, but a possible consequence of having given the gift of creative power unconditionally. so marlowe had secretly sent a messenger to the uzim's dream world, named atgmartin, who knew about marlowe and what jaroen had tried to do. |
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part three atgmartin was unique, in that it was marlowe's messenger, but since it had entered the dream world, was also one of the uzim. additionally, atgmartin appeared in the dream world not as one person, but as twenty three pairs of uzim who then went out to every corner of the dream world. some of these forty six uzim became known, and some remained hidden. atgmartin understood that the situation was more complex than many of the uzim could understand, because of the way jaroen had defined their dream world. atgmartin devised a way to use suggestive stories and parables, which took various forms and styles, to illustrate what had happened to jaroen and the uzim, and the true identity of marlowe. as atgmartin's words spread through their dream world, the uzim became aware that the slumber was the result of jaroen's denying the gift of marlowe by failing to extend the gift in unconditional benevolence. the uzim, with atgmartin's help, realized that they, as dream manifestations of jaroen, were actually the shattered pieces of the whole jaroen. the uzim understood that to heal jaroen, they themselves must resolve their own lust for false power, must stop dividing their world, and must stop attacking their fellow uzim. the uzim within the slumbering jaroen used their collective energy with the help of atgmartin to reawaken jaroen in which they existed. because of atgmartin, the uzim knew that, despite their name, they were not separate from jaroen, and that jaroen, despite the slumber, was not separate from marlowe. jaroen then discovered marlowe's plan and realized the mistake was forgiven, and chose to accept and extend the gift of marlowe, and release the uzim from the dream world, and endow them all with the bestowal of creative energy, and they would go on to form new worlds. |
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Not only that they cannot be recognised, but that they do not exist. It is Henotheistic to believe in other gods but only worship one... |
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One must first believe that there are no major flaws in one's thought before one can be sure that there are major flaws in the object of one's thought. |
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ah glad so see you asking questions again marlowe monotheism in my view is not about a religion perceiving only one deity, what the term describes for me is that in order for one to achieve their spiriruality, they need to be Totally devoted to their specific god (who can of course be any god, belonging to any faith, all god is Truth!) |
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The term is applied particularly to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, as well as Zoroastrianism. |
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hence believing in One god that does not have to discount other faiths.. although that is ill acknowledge Implied in many cases, its not intended i believe in any faiths pure form |
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this is sure to catch the attention of the majority of the world's populace. |
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Truth is as strong as ones devotion |
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marlowe is a loony. |
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unfortunately not, but spirituality is a valuble thing for one to understand, all the same. and everyone Is aware of it |
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yes afxnumb there is a spectrum |
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if were to compare to hindu, where many gods are worshipped, it is still the same case. one devotes themself to the diety that is personal. buddhist faith, as we know its not a deity figure that is worshipped, however buddhism Is also a pursuit of Truth through Devotion. |
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