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offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:29 [#00863035]
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how much do you tell your significant other?

when you go out to strip clubs, do you say so? Do you want
to know everyone she talks to?

Are you jealous when you aren't included in every little
plan?

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If any of this weirds you out, do you bottle it up, or share
it in hopes that you can get over the fear? How much do you
share?????


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-09-14 21:35 [#00863046]
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I tell my pillow everything.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:36 [#00863049]
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i wouldnt go to stip clubs in the first place

and I wouldnt go to strip clubs, esp if I have a woman of my
own... why go stare at other women, when you can make sweet
sweet love with your honey?



 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-14 21:36 [#00863050]
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Especially when you are biting down on it.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:36 [#00863051]
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and if your pillow was a person, would you still reveal what
you feel?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:37 [#00863052]
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hahaha

he walked into that one!


 

online big from lsg on 2003-09-14 21:37 [#00863053]
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i tell this mb everything


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:37 [#00863055]
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ok, your girl is 100% against drinking, but you love her,
but you drink

when do you hide it? when do you tell her to get over her
fears?

what do you say? doesn't hiding things open doors? Doesn't
having no secrets make it all boring????


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:40 [#00863063]
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hmmmm

if it was once... i think id not tell her... but if it was
something that happened more then a few times... id tell her


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-14 21:42 [#00863066]
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Just tell her you don't expect her to drink if she doesn;t
want to, but every so often you are gonna get slaughted and
piss yourself in your sleep.

You should never have to change who you are to be with
someone else, it just doesn't make sense and shit won't work
out in the long term.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:42 [#00863069]
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and if you hid it? would it hurt the relationship?

would it just hurt you? how much do you tell? what CAN you
hide?

can you love AND hide? can you love and be alright with
things you fear? is it better to now know and love
something you never understand?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:44 [#00863072]
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no, I could never hide it

guilt would drive me mad

im a very open person with my family and friends... I cant
lie to them


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-14 21:44 [#00863073]
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lol, stop getting so deep. It is best to hide infidelity
everything else just tell her.


 

offline ambsace from canaDUH. on 2003-09-14 21:45 [#00863074]
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agreed. make very few compromises.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:45 [#00863077]
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would I then have to change for her?

if she hates it, I should stop if I love her? or is that
giving in? Shouldn't we compromise?

does she need to know if I get pissed every once in a while?
what's the difference. Can I still love and avoid the
issue? What if she knows I'm avoiding it?

---------
how much do you tell someone when you two think you are in
love? what if those things you should tell hurt???


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:47 [#00863080]
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so then she is unreasonable to demand I stop drinking? Can
we disagree about something and still love?

Should I love enough to stop something that hurts her? Why
does it hurt her?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:48 [#00863083]
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give it up if it means very little to you

if not, then you need someone that will accept you for you


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:48 [#00863085]
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it could be a number of things...

maybe there were alchoalics in her family... and it scares
the shit out of her... just seeing you drink even alittle


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:49 [#00863087]
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and if she loves everything about me but that?

should I man up and compromise? Isn't it inevitable that
sometimes agreeing to disagree isn't enough? Someone needs
to give a little?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-14 21:50 [#00863089]
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So every social thing you go to together in the future
you're not going to be able to drink? Come off it...you
will end up resenting her. Why should you have to be the
one to make the compromise...if you tell her you drink then
you are not asing her to do anything unreasonable, just
request your wishes. If you stop drinking you are having to
give something up and you will end up resenting her for it.

If you are really in love you shouldn't have any secrets at
all. I can tell my girlfriend everything, I don't judge her
and she doesn't judge me.

Now you should just roll a fat one, sit back and chill. :D


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:50 [#00863090]
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so then her point is valid, and if I feel like I do love, I
need to sensitive. Love should conquer some of my less
admirable actions then?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-14 21:50 [#00863091]
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Unless she is against weed as well as drinking, which she
probably would be.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:51 [#00863094]
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is this actually about booze... or is this a metaphore?

do you have something specific in mind, or is this just in
general?

I could give you much better answers if you specify


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:52 [#00863095]
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but at what price love? If I lose love forever becuase I
can't not drink, is that worse than having love but
resenting her control over me?

At what point isn't it worth it? Does love conquer
everything, or are there too many other people out there
that might just accept me for me?

do I take that risk, all cuz I can't give up a bit of
drinking??


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:53 [#00863097]
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like i said... is it THAT important to you?



 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:53 [#00863098]
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zues, you are very perceptive.

The roles are reversed, she drinks and I can't handle it.

For the same reasons you mentioned, alcoholic family member,
drunk driver killed members of family etc......


 

online big from lsg on 2003-09-14 21:54 [#00863100]
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so i'd like to tell that i've been posting for 6 hours
straight, besides lying in bed two times for 5 minutes, and
it now is almost 6am



 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:54 [#00863102]
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I vowed to never ever date someone who drank, but I fell in
love with someone who does often enough to hurt a lot.


 

online big from lsg on 2003-09-14 21:55 [#00863104]
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o sorry, i didnt know we were really talking about
something, im tired, sorry


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:55 [#00863105]
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i have told her this, so now to compensate she hides it from
me, and I know it.

Is it worse to bottle it up, and think the worst of her?


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-09-14 21:56 [#00863107]
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well, seems like you have some fear from that incident with
the drunk driver... but you have to realize that not
everyone who gets drunk is going to do that... and you have
to try and trust her I think, trust that's she's fairly
responsible with her drinking... have you talked to her
about this? Have you told her what happened in the past? If
not, you should anyways...


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-09-14 21:57 [#00863109]
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Then you are sneeky :P ...and as you can see from my
comments above it is you who needs to be a bit more sensible
about the situation. If she drinks, and it is purely social
then there is nothing to worry about, you shouldn't expect
her to change just because of your view point however valid
it may seem to you.

It is worrying to see that you seem to think (this is the
impression I am getting) that if she fails to quit drinking
she somehow doesn't love you. That is a dangerous path to
go down. If you don't think you can accept her for what she
is then you should call the whole thing off now.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 21:58 [#00863111]
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she basically knows, but how much do I say?

I think I need a balance. How many times can I let it hurt
me? Can love conquer pain?

Am I not in love and just using this as a cover for pain I
won't confront?

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How much do you tell someone? If you love, I assume you
have to tell everything?


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-09-14 21:59 [#00863114]
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oh, you have told her... well I guess if you absolutely
cannot handle her drinking, and she will not stop drinking,
then I guess it ain't going to work... and if you say to
yourself you'll try and deal with her drinking, but you
still aren't ok with it, then you know it ain't working...
just listen to your heart...

but like I said, you also have to realize that not everyone
is like that drunk driver... trust that she's responsible...



 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:00 [#00863116]
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so I should bail out of something I think could last forever
on one thing?

do I just need counselling! Why could one little thing
derail something beautiful though? Is it her fault or
mine?

If mine, why can't she accept me and give up somethign for
me (i'd give up strip clubs if I went all the time and it
made her nervous.....etc)


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:01 [#00863117]
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"It is worrying to see that you seem to think (this is the
impression I am getting) that if she fails to quit drinking

she somehow doesn't love you. That is a dangerous path to
go down. If you don't think you can accept her for what she

is then you should call the whole thing off now. "

agreed

I do think you need to let her make her own mind up about
this...

when you say she drinks enough to make it hurt... could you
please specify?




 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:01 [#00863120]
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you are dead on Funk, that is exactly what I am trying to
do. It feels like it isn't working, but I don't want to
believe that.

Everytime I think I have it dealt with, it creeps up, she
kinda goes around it in coversation, and then I know, and
then it hurts.

am I stupid to keep trying?


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-09-14 22:02 [#00863122]
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I personally think you should tell her everything... how it
bothers you, and why... let her know exactly how you feel,
so it doesn't seem weird or anything like how you might act
or anything... it's a valid fear I think... God knows I'd
feel the same way if someone I knew was killed by a drunk
driver... so I think you should tell her... explain your
side, and let her explain hers I guess... like ecnadniarb
said, you can't expect her to change... but maybe if you two
talked it out you might feel better about things...


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:03 [#00863123]
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everytime is enough.

You don't know the pain alcohol has caused me. I'm not a
blanket person to say all people who drink are bad, but I
have a hard time getting close to people who do.

twice a month still hurts.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:03 [#00863124]
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agreed


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:05 [#00863126]
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ok, but in what quantity?

are we talking like, having a glass of wine... or getting
buzzed, or getting shitfaced?


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:06 [#00863131]
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drunk, not super sloppy, but officially drunk I'd say.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-09-14 22:06 [#00863132]
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does she drink around you?


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:07 [#00863133]
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I have to admit I'd have enough problem with one beer.

It's me, I know, I have the problem, but is it too weird to
think someone will change for me? Do I need to only date
girls who don't touch alcohol?

Do I need to grow up and get over it, face reality. How
much do I take?


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:07 [#00863135]
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she has, and I was like.........OK!!!! no fun here, and I
left.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:11 [#00863139]
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I think maybe I should have just bailed out a while ago,
before getting so attached, and then this wouldn't a prblem
huh?

but then I would have missed this love...........fuck me


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-09-14 22:13 [#00863141]
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well man, if you two really are in love I think it'd be a
shame to end it because she drinks every once in a while...
as you've said, it's not like she's a raging alcoholic, so
you should try and deal with it I think... like don't go
with her when she goes drinking... do something with other
friends... stuff like that... maybe let her know that you're
uncomfortable around her when she's drinking, but you also
have to be understanding and let her drink I think... if she
wants to... if you both love each other you should be
willing to make those compromises... that she'll maybe not
drink around you, or at least not get drunk, and that you'll
try and be understanding to her drinking, as much as you can
be...


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:13 [#00863143]
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don't fail me now!!!
dear god please send the S.O.S.!!!
we're gunna go down!


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2003-09-14 22:14 [#00863145]
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and if I am not willing to so bend, I can assume this might
not be as stong a bond between us as I thought or hoped?


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-09-14 22:17 [#00863150]
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it would still bother you if she never touched a drink
around you at all, and only drank when you weren't around?


 


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