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one wonders if tolstoy would be as well known today had he gone with his original title, "war, what is it good for?" |
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Probably, yes -- I think this shallowness associated with consumerism and marketability is mainly a modern phenomenom... look at "pink floyd"... woah, would they EVER have become famous these days with a name like that? |
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indeed |
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Im totally going for Dostoyevsky here .You cant really say one author is "better" than the other but you can reflect on how they have influenced you. I have read both pretty thoroughly and Dostoyevsky has given me a lot more. My favorite book of all time is "The Brothers Karamazov", I actually started believing in God for a moment after that one :) Something about the conflict between Ivan and Alyosha that intrigued me and also the character of Father Zozima. A total must-read for everyone. "The Grand Inquisator" is e.g. a total fucking madman, pure literary genius. Dostoyevsky was a lot more intense and understandably so as he was a compulsive gambler and led to an execution which turned out to be a hoax. After that he was sent to a prison in Siberia for treason which served him very badly because of his epilepsy. Tolstoy on the other hand was the "thinker" who promoted anarchy and social awareness of Russia. Both were total geniuses but its my opinion that by constantly contradicting himself in his works Dosto set himself a bigger goal to achieve and I admire that alot. Taking the long and winding road is always more challenging and revarding. Therefore he gets my vote and admiration......... |
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i prefer Camus over the aforementioned authors. |
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i'm kinda shocked................ .....this thread goes to my favs............ |
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what is so utterly shocking my little peasant?! |
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i prefer dostoyevsky over tolstoy |
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Camus is good, but his canon of works isn't that extensive. Not that should per se count against him, as The Stranger, The Plague and The Fall are fantastic books. I just think that Fyodor D. was more complete. Existentialism is deeply flawed. |
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camus and dostoevsky werent existenatialists.... |
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Fyodor all the way. I don't see Sega naming lightgun game franchises after Tolstoy's works :P |
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Camus was. I never mentioned Dostoyevsky being an Existentialist. |
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is it dostoevsky or dostoyevsky? my copies of 'the idiot', 'crime and punishment', and 'notes from the underground' all have it as 'dostoevsky'. i just want to understand. |
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It depends which country you're in, John. In the UK, his name is now generally spelt, dostoyevsky, tho I've seen old editions of his works without the initial Y. I've also seen his name spelt Dostoiefski. |
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no, your wrong, i know a lot about camus and have researched his work a lot...he definately isnt an existentialist and if youve read anything aside from the stranger or even interviews you would know that. camus was not pessimistic at all. camus being an existentialist is one of the most widespread lies there is in litterature. by the way, there is a difference between discussing existeniAL ideas and being an existenistalIST (i just did that to emphasize the endings, to make it clearer) sartre is an existentialist, he has stated that millions of times, but he also has had many assumptions(same with kafka) made about him. im not as familiar with kafka\sartre to be able to talk about their views as much(im just bringing these guys in, i know no one mentioned them yet). by discussing the negative aspects of life, that does not make one pessimistic\existentialist...people usually think camus is existentialist because they cant understand the differences between the views themselves and just discussing them...im ranting now, so im done for now. |
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its either dostoevsky or dostoyevsky depending...its also been dostoevki...same with tolstoy\tolstoi depending on whoever translated it and what they preferred. wow, my previous post came across and completely angry and critical of what you said, i didnt mean that. |
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So he didn't believe in the essays and plays and books he wrote? :S Man, that sucks--Imma burn my copies of them. I for one, btw, never equated existentialism with pessimmism.. there are MANY branches of this philosophy -- i like the one saying there was a god, but he died :D most religions actually have gods that are dead.. it's quite a modern religious invention to have a god still alive ! |
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i am reading brothers karamazov. |
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and, its pretty fucking good actually... even though it takes me quite a lot of time to read fjodors books for me. |
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Brothers Karamazov is my favorite. Pity it wasn't finished. |
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The Idiot was also pretty awesome, but it was my friend's favorite and he was first to it. |
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The Idiot is probably my favourite Dostoyevsky. I work with some Latvians, and got one of 'em to get me a Russian-language copy of the book, that's how dedicated to this book I am. Dosvedanya. |
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you're not around anymore but you're totally completely wrong. |
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..on so many levels... |
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i read the brothers karamazov after kurt vonneguts recommendation but i wasnt so impressed. the only thing that remains with me about is that i read albert camus' the stranger right afterwards and imagined an intercon nection between the two regarding the trials but that was in another mentality. |
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I tried to read crime and punishment but it was such an old copy it gave me hayfever |
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Was it made from pressed flowers? |
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it was made out of the guy out of napoleon dynamite's acting career.. b'dm ch. 'nah, twas a dusty and musty 'ol thing. got a copy you can lend? |
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I LIKE HIS BOOKS. |
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Yes, I do. |
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the equation of pessimism and existentialism is pretty confusing indeed. i'm still piss-poorily read, really just dabbling right now in mid-century frenchies like Blanchot, Bataille and Genet... but Dostoevskii is badass. as for the question of how to spell it, my impression is that there really isn't a proper way to spell out slavic names in a non-slavic alphabet... it seems like it's kind of up to you really. all the different takes are just different attempts to mirror the phonetic equivalent in cyrillic. as you can see, i've gone with the double "ii" to seem like a pretentious motherfuck. |
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Being well-read is only useful for vacuous conversations with other well-read people, don't worry about it. |
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Oh, and if you're gonna go with the Double i, I think you have to use an F instead of a V... maybe. |
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Do you feel like lending it to me? I'll write a 150 word review.. |
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yeah "f"s would be better. |
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I guess it depends on how you pronounce "y" or "ii" at the end of a word. I would deffinately go for "v" instead of "f". |
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I would, but Australia is full of convicts and I'd probably never see it again! |
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Dostoevsky |
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Well maybe, but I don't think native English speakers know that they should pronounce the "e" as "ye", so I think "Dostoyevsky" is better. |
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Normally, there'd be those two full-stops hovering over the vowel to indicate that it's the start of a new syllable... haven't a clue what they're called since we don't really use them in Britain anymore, having resorted to using a dash, thus: co-operation. |
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the brothers karamazov is the best book ever written |
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this is stupid.. just because Tolstoy wrote lengthier novels (generally) it doesn't mean that they didn't need to be long. it doesn't mean that if Dostoevsky did them, they would have been much shorter. novels like anna Karenina and war and peace need their length, and need their huge nature in order to sustain all the subplots and character arcs simplistic idiots. |
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It would have been helpful for you to have used the Reply function to indicate who that is in reference to. |
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Even then, as I've been told by well-read persons, a lot of well-read people know about books without having actually read them. |
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Shine your shoes gov'na? |
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Two dots over "e" in Russian make "yo" (with short "o") out of "ye". For example in the first syllable of Fyodor - Фёдор. But it's early in the morning and I'm not sure if I understand what you meant. |
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Yep, that doesn't surprise me at all! B123: Away with you, ruffian! |
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I know lots about books, but I hate reading fiction, so I haven't read most of them. wir kinder auf bahnhof zoo. |
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nabokov's 'bend sinister' is excellent |
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