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Excellent article by former Environment Minister, Michael Meacher, claiming that the war on terrorism is a smokescreen and that the US knew in advance about the September 11 attack on New York but, for strategic reasons, chose not to act on the warnings. Well worth 5mins of your valuble time... |
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its so evil... it makes me sick. and i really do believe all that... I wonder how the families of the people who died in the 9-11 attacks would feel if they read that... that it was allowed to take place, as an excuse to broaden world power. its seriously like something out of an old scifi movie, or book... the evil world empire of the future... its here... and sadly... this articale, or others related to it... probably wont see the light of day on american media... |
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i only read the first half, and that's all i needed to read, this world is a fucked up place and it's going to get worse |
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and additionally... its fucked up... that here the taliban has this cause... to go against the US because of its broadening world power and globalization... and its used as a means to give america even MORE power... by giving the US an excuse for all its actions... (note: im not saying that 9-11 was justified... or any other terrorist attacks... just that its ironic that the terrorists cause was to defy the US... but it was then used, and turned in to something to help the US) |
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I don't need an article to convince me of that, it was pretty much in your face kinda obvious from the start. It such an elaborate maze of conspiracies that it can't be untangled, there's conspiracies that ridicule conspiracies and it's theorists so the search for truth becomes a mindboggling one, just never believe what your government tells you. |
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Well, how long has it been since we all found out that Pearl Harbor was also along the same lines? Now with the internet we are finding things out quicker (whether you want to believe it or not). The internet will most likely be our last hope for uncencored news that the mainstream media will fail to report. |
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nice article... yeah, We should defineatly do a war on greed instead... |
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Good point about Pearl Harbor. It was generally believed an attack was coming, but when and where was anyones guess considering diplomatic measures were still being undertaken. The attack there, however, did allow the US to go to war with just cause. --------------- Fast forward to Sept. 11. Technically NON-COMBATIVE structures were hit (pentagon is not an airbase is what I mean). It does justify a gaurilla war, and that is what we got, just knee jerk reaction. THIS is the difference. Suprise attacks happen throughout history in the form of military movements. WHile possible though, flying planes into buildings was not standard practice for attacking people. The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration)in particular deemed the risk of hijacking low, and even in the event, it was usually just a political move to try and get some prisoners free in exchange for letting passengers go. There was no precedent for Sept. 11, so you can read all the warnings you want, but until it happens, you could never be sure. It would be blocking up all the subways because someone might steal a train and blow it up. Blocking subways would cause havoc everywhere, and until someone blows up a subway train, there is little precedent for those extreme precautions. |
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Did you read the article, by any chance? "First, it is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11. It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks. Two senior Mossad experts were sent to Washington in August 2001 to alert the CIA and FBI to a cell of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation (Daily Telegraph, September 16 2001). The list they provided included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, none of whom was arrested. It had been known as early as 1996 that there were plans to hit Washington targets with aeroplanes. Then in 1999 a US national intelligence council report noted that "al-Qaida suicide bombers could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House". Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman, the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly issuing visas to unqualified applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for training in terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden (BBC, November 6 2001). It seems this operation continued after the Afghan war for other purposes. It is also reported that five of the hijackers received training at secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek, September 15 2001). Instructive leads prior to 9/11 were not followed up. French Moroccan flight student Zacarias Moussaoui (now thought to be the 20th hijacker) was arrested in August 2001 after an instructor reported he showed a suspicious interest in learning how to steer large airliners. When US agents learned from French intelligence he had radical Islamist ties, they sought a warrant to search his computer, which contained clues to the September 11 mission (Times, November 3 2001). But they were turned down by the FBI. One agent wrote, a month before 9/11, that Moussaoui might be planning |
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contin... "... One agent wrote, a month before 9/11, that Moussaoui might be planning to crash into the Twin Towers (Newsweek, May 20 2002). All of this makes it all the more astonishing - on the war on terrorism perspective - that there was such slow reaction on September 11 itself. The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft (AP, August 13 2002). It is a US legal requirement that once an aircraft has moved significantly off its flight plan, fighter planes are sent up to investigate. Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence? Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11? If so, why, and on whose authority? The former US federal crimes prosecutor, John Loftus, has said: "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." |
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i read it, but I've also studied this matter a bit more than reading one article. all I said, and will say, is there was no precedent. We should stop all trucks in this world, because someone can put explosives in there and blow up a bridge. OK, that can happen, it hasn't yet, but it can, so should be stop all trucks in this country? --------- there was no precedent. The economic cost itself to completely overhaul an industry based on speculation is enourmous, and beyond ridiculous. Whatever an expert said, there is one who disagreed with him, and with no precedent, you CAN NOT blame the fact that no extreme action was taken. |
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i don't need to read hte article - i know it's bogus already. congress tokk advantage of the state the US public was in after 9/11 to pass a bill that allowed wiretaps on public phones, and now are trying to pass the Patriot Act, an act that will do such patriotic things as throw a stoner in jail and accuse him of being a terrorist. Sorry, but Ben Franklin said: "he who is willing to give up a small freedom for a sense of security is not worthy of any freedom at all." |
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There may have not been a precedent but there was enough intelligence to suggest that it was highly likely. They had the names of a few of hijackers! What more did they need? Stopping every truck? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater, trucks are far more numerous than planes. But if the intelligence said that a particular place was a target of a bomb in a truck then I'd hope that security would be beefed up and not stood down as in the case of 9/11. "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Sums it up. |
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ok, I'll agree with you there, if you had intelligence that certain flights, on a certain day, would hit certain buildings, then yes, throw precedent out the window and stop every plane around those buildings. However, in these times were bad "press" is worse than bad events, no one is willing to risk the lashing in the newspaper if they are wrong. if I kept going, I'd get into the whole degradation of personal responsibility and common sense in the this country, and I need to go to work! |
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just make everything you can to take those freaks out of the US administration please |
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www.kmfdm.com go to the news section and read all about our lovely president...... |
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"Of course the people don't want war... That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering, Adolf Hitler's Deputy Chief and Luftwaffe Commander, at the Nuremberg trials, 1946 from "Nuremberg Diary" by G M Gilbert. |
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9-11 was self inflicted considering that the cia funded bin-laden and his chronies. |
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anybody got any ideas of how to deal with any of this? |
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assassinations. |
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all jokes aside that does sound like a good idea.... |
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yup. i agree. |
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u read what was on the KMFDM site? |
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The US and, to a lesser extent, the UK's foriegn policy is based around the aquisition of resources to fuel the oppulent culture we've become accustomed to. Now, if we all reigned back on our lifestyles to that, of say, your average Bangladeshi then the need to go bombing the shit or threaten to bomb the shit out of other countries to insure their resources come our way would decrease, I'm pretty sure. Now, in reality that ain't gonna happen, so aside from organising a popular uprising to instigate a regime change at home the only thing available is the vote. Just don't vote for fasci... er, I mean conservatives. |
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democracy is dead, our choices are: brainwashed Dictatorship Dictatorship and...... u get where this is going,... |
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i don't really have any strong opinions on whether or not the wars in afganistan and iraq were justified, don't really care actually. but here is something i've thought about a few times before... the idea that the USA govenment would use 911 to leverage more power over the world reminds me of 2 things: 1. star wars... how the empire basicly attacked themselves in order to get emergency powers and turn the place into a police state, and evetually be ruled by the emperor (dictator). 2. the nazi party... (from my limited knowledge) did pretty much exactly the same thing. i don't really believe the USA is trying to do this, just a thought. either way, i reckon dubyuh just got elected because of the novelty factors of him being a previous presidents son, if it wasn't for his family, i reckon he'd be a used car salesman...or a cowboy (not that he isnt one now). |
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i thought everyone knew by now that the u.s. is run by people like the builderbergs and the freemasons. it's no surprise, been going on like this for ages. you'd be truly surprised if you knew how much "american" stuff could be directly attributed to these organisations. |
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I love this part: "Michael Springman, the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly issuing visas to unqualified applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for training in terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden (BBC, November 6 2001). It seems this operation continued after the Afghan war for other purposes. It is also reported that five of the hijackers received training at secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek, September 15 2001)." |
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Oh shut the hell up, its been ages since so called secret societies such as the free masons have opened up to society and now act in complete transparency. If you bothered to inform yourself on the subject you would find out that real free masonry stands for the defense of a humanistic philosophy placing the rights of man and political liberalism at the centre of its moral system. There is no religious fanaticism or hypocritical concealing in masonic cirlces. |
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Sorry about being so damn rude, i'll beat myself :-) |
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Yeah shits gonna get bad soon. Fucking yanks are going to invade Canada by 2010 I know it ... |
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The article summed up the situation pretty well, I watched Micheal Meacher interviewed on BBC's Hard Talk - pretty damning stuff. |
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good article |
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