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hahah i actually downloaded this!!!! :D omg i cant believe myself! I forgot it was silent! what a waste of my HD space! :D |
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sounded like a good plan at the time, eh ? :0p |
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yeah, i really respect John Cage and i think he is a great composer! |
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pretentious twat is what he is.... |
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must be nice to be able to release a track of total silence and be considered a musical genius! |
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its not really meant to be total silence |
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well... not exactly |
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4:33 is supposed to get the listener to realize that real music is what you make of it - it is personal interpretation. also that music is everywhere - listen to the sounds of the audience, the breathing, the scuffling of clothing, people moving in their seats. 4:33 is supposed to be a deeply introspective piece, focusing more on a personal experience and search for music rather then one guided by a composer. at least thats what i feel its trying to say... |
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yes it is pretentiousness... |
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some of his ideas were neat. whether they were truly his originally or not I have no idea. He went pretty overboard with his theories tho. |
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He's a smart guy! But the point being that the MP3's of this are pointless. There was no sound at all. I had the speakers on full blast, expecting that this was live and there would be an audience reaction. Live this has more potential... i believe (correct me if i am wrong) is that this is an actual piece that he sites down and plays on muted strings. The total of three compositions equaling 4'33'' |
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no thats wrong. nothing is played at all. ambient sounds are the point. just general reflection on stuff... whatever questions might arise as a result.. "what is and isn't music?" for example. traffic outside the auditorium... whatever |
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really are you sure? I could have sworn that somewhere i read that he actually sat down somewhere at a live concert and played three pieces.... then again maybe i was fucked up or something..... hard to tell now-a-days! |
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not as good as magic window |
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i thought it was 4:32 shit i think you have the extended dance mix |
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My track is the best....one 80 min. CD full of blissful silence |
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he is right. it's all about the sounds directly around you. |
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Frank Zappa did a cover of 4:33. i see the point of this track, in some way it is interesting, but i don't see the point of playing the track (and even less of buying it!)... : ) i doubt John Cage was the first to have the idea of a silent track, but since he was the first famous artist to have done it he was credited... |
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(but even when seeing the point... well... it is a pointless point. do you really need to hear or even know about 4:33 to pay attention to the sounds around you? of course not!) |
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no. you can do it yourself. but to also see those sounds as music was quite a big thing. and you'll also be surprised how many people don't notice the sounds surrounding them. |
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I believe it has been played in movements. The lid of the piano is dropped and lifted between each movement, and then during the movements themself the pianist just sits there. The reasoning is that during every day life, you are unaware of sounds around you. When you are in a concert situation, everyone goes quiet during the piece, and people are concentrating on listening. I may be wrong, but I heard the very first 'performance' of the piece was actually during a short rain shower at the concert, and the rain could be heard pattering on the surroundings, and for once people actually listened to it. For the performer to sit and be ready to play it is essential - it gets the listener's attention. To do it in three movements is just pretentious, though. |
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I normally think you type a lot of sense but in this case that was pure bullshit. The only people who could have considered it "quite a big thing" are complete dumb fucks without a brain between them. |
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I like his shadow kick theory. |
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admit it, if one of you had thought of the idea first you'd expect to be praised for it |
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load of wank. no disrespect to mr cage, but the dudes who write The Wire magazine make love to his decomposing corpse daily. Fair enough, he WAS ahead of his time. He is more interesting that most of the shit you listen to in school, but fucking hell... who has the time to listen to fuck all!? When I want to listen to something I want to have an experience, not think "who is this tosser who expects me to listen to his graneuse wanktoss?" |
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i don't think it's meant to be listened to today, except maybe in elementary music classes to remake the point he was making |
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You're not listening to fuck all. You're listening to what's around you. You are having an experience - you're listening to sound and music which is constantly there yet you never pay attention to. :O |
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i dont think this is really intended to be a recorded piece, more aimed at an audience who have been listening to music for a whole concert but are then plunged into nothingness and forced to think for themselves. |
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Are you saying you need a CD/Tape/LP of fuck all to notice the sound going on around you? I'm generally aware of the musical nature of ambient sounds and I don't need a pretentious bastard to point it out to me. |
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i believe titsworth just addressed this issue above. it's not meant for people already tuned into the music we listen to. it's really not even meant for this time period but i'm sure it's still effective for some novices. |
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i have a record by john cage live. never really tried to track down other stuff tho i wouldn't mind it. i'd like to hear the one where he put sensors on dancers clothes that reacted to movement and made diffent sounds... |
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But that in itself it self agrandising bollocks. In my view music is made to sound good, interesting or tell the truth. If it's not there that's not music, it's not interesting and if you're in a concert hall the only thing you're likely to hear (assuming it's soundproofed and has good ambience, as all good concert halls do) you'd only be able to hear the odd cough or two. I don't know about you, but when I was 12 this was a fucking revelation. I thought "good on him"... but now, I've grown up, and to be honest, I have no time for people who go to such ridiculous lengths to make a point. |
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If I had to go to a concert and "john cage" played that, I'd wait until about 2 minutes through, when people are confused about whether to feel and show artsy respect or start looking around at other people in the audience and share odd looks, and then make a big fart noise then stand up and clap really loud and say "encore" and then bow. And then sit down and show artsy respect as if nothing had happened. |
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as I said, you'll be surprised at how many people are oblivious to their surroundings. |
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I'm just talking about the impact the piece had then - not a lot to do with my opinion, so why you think it has something to do with me as a person eludes me. |
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that must be the single most unfunniest and kind of boring thing you have ever written on this board. from now on the 4th of september will be known as No Fun w M w Day. it'll be a big hit. maybe not. |
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i think i read somthing about a group/artist that got sued by whoever owns the rights to this for making a silent track. it wasn't boards of canada (but are they next!!!??? :P) |
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heh I didn't mean anything bad about you...I just get frustrated because it was not a clever peice, silence has been used in symphonies for decades, maybe not lasting for 4'33 but by emcompassing silence within an actual movement, when people are consentrating on sound has a lot more impact than a peice of silence with an attached note about how important it is because it makes people listen to everyday sounds. I probably haven't phrased that very well but I have been smoking my freind little weed tonight :D |
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Centuries not decades :P |
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centaur rabbit cream alabama |
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oh well I didn't take offence as that wouldn't make much sense.. :) |
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i agree japes. Sometimes people get their heads stuck so far up their own asses that they assume no matter how personal or personally significant the music they make, that somebody will listen. What I dont understand is why Cage felt the need to release his music yet he felt no use for crediting composers for music and credited sound in general |
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John Cage is a great man and a great thinking in addition to being a great musician. |
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thinker PigeonSt is a great grammarist. Gramartician? |
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how do you sit down and listen to a silent track? There is nothing on the track, so you're not listening to it, but what is around you... it's just a stupid idea... and really, this is kind of the same idea Brian Eno was getting at with his ambient music... listen to Music for Airports... there is so much space on that album, but there is also music... and so you take in all the sounds around you, but the music that is there enhances that... much better for listening, and more of an artistic accomplishment definitely... I'll take Music for Airports over total silence any day! |
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John Cage is dead you dope. If you are going to sing someones praises at least find out if they are still breathing. |
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japes - so you're saying that, unlike a lot of people, you understand the musical nature of ambient sounds and can appreciate them anyway. Which most people can't. And that's the reason the piece is crap. Because YOU already appreciate what it's trying to show without it. And you say Cage is the pretentious one? |
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I've read one or two interviews with Cage and he had some really bright things to say, none of which I remember as usual. Wasn't he the "inventer" of the so called silent chords? Where you very gently press down a chord on a piano so that nothing is heard and then play something with the other hand - causing the pressed down but silent keys to oscillate and make the melody sound richer? |
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ah my friend, he lives on in my heart |
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but if i sit down and want to listen to music, its because i DONT want to hear the "ambience" around me. |
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