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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 17:14 [#00837641]
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Is anyone else here into philosophy? If so, what stuff?
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disasemble
from United States on 2003-08-26 17:17 [#00837645]
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im into philosophy somewhat
but i dont feel the need to go check out tons of books by tons of differnet philosophers. its more or less just dead ends eventually.
i couldnt name a single philosopher im into, they all sorta contribute equally to the whole i think.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-26 17:19 [#00837649]
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absolutely - philosophy is opinion (in short) but nevertheless fascininating
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disasemble
from United States on 2003-08-26 17:19 [#00837651]
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yep
some interesting stuff out there, no doubt
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 17:20 [#00837652]
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Right, but if you don't read any of it and you can't name any philosophers, what exactly are you into?
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kurrrak
from Bialystok (Poland) on 2003-08-26 17:20 [#00837654]
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i got bored of philopsophy
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-26 17:23 [#00837659]
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you can still philosiphise w/o reading about it, but i would strongly recommend you read some satre and nietche (sp)
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 17:24 [#00837660]
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What bored you? I haven't read it for a while but I'm still really into it. I love trying to work Nietzsche out. Sometimes I'm sure he was just taking the piss.
I like more obscure stuff as well, like William Blake
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 17:25 [#00837663]
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what Sartre have you read? I thought Existentialism and Humanism was incredibly hypocritical
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-26 17:29 [#00837665]
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im not too keen on humanism although i dont understand why you think why its hypocritical. i love nausea by satre. its his personal exploration of the world, although seen as an essay, a great 'twist' at the end. reading/understanding other peoples opinions of life will undoutedly make you understand your own existance much more clearly.
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 17:36 [#00837669]
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Well, because at the beginning he bangs on alot about how other ethical maxims are ineffecient in many practical cases and strongly slates Kant's Categorical Imperative. He then proposes this view of Existentialism that when we act we act for all men, blah blah. This sounds overwhelmingly similar to the Categorical Imperative, "act only according to the maxim by which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law".
Apparently, soon after, Sartre actually that lecture himself and became a Marxist.
I've read the beginning of Nausea and kind of forgotten about it.
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 17:37 [#00837672]
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actually *rejected* that lecture himself
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Haberdasher
from Cyprus on 2003-08-26 17:37 [#00837673]
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I love most of the ancient Greek philosophers like Aristotle, Socrates, Anaxagoras, Plato etc. Most of the stuff is well over 2000 years old but still so relevant today. Besides them, I really like people like Rousseau, Kant, Nitzche, but Arthur Shopenhauer is probably my favourite. His essays are so very pessimistic, but oh so true I think.
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-08-26 17:38 [#00837674]
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i have a BA in philosophy..... Theres lots more to philosophy than opinion. there are certain deductive facts that philosophy has solved...
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 17:43 [#00837678]
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Please go on
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-26 17:45 [#00837680]
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in your/their opinion...
degrees are 10 a penny, although i understand how the philosiphacal education with regards to a degree makes you commit to one side or another. to be fair, the older you get the more comitted you get in your beliefs
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-08-26 17:48 [#00837683]
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relations between space-time, anti-matter, differences between absoulte and relative space, primary and secondary sense functions,
no i don't really feel like it... i'm done with college now... i just kind of read whatever now
ps. Sarte is a joke. exitenesionalism has been proven to be false.
pss. i can't spell and don't give a damn
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J Swift
from United Kingdom on 2003-08-26 17:49 [#00837685]
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Eastern philosophy's always appealed to me the most. But yeah, Western philosophy is more deductive reasoning than straight opinion isn't it?
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-26 17:50 [#00837688]
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existentialism has proved to be false? haha! :)
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2003-08-26 17:50 [#00837689]
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I love philosophy, but speaking about it in english is painful for me...
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-08-26 17:51 [#00837690]
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yes reading menius totally changed my outlook on life.... realizing that morality is the most important factor in human lives.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-08-26 17:52 [#00837692]
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agreed, much of philosophy is straight logic. Early education in a philosophy degree focuses on logical thought and how to design concrete arguements based on fact. For example a simple arguement would be in the form: If 'A'='B 'and 'B'='C' then 'A' must equal 'C'. the contraversy generally stems from the validity of the facts.
but mostly i just like to smoke pot and think about stuff.
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-08-26 17:52 [#00837693]
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no serious philosopher today believes in that stuff man.... expect mabey brainwashed commies...it's fun to read i guess but don't believe it for a second... i'm telling you
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 18:01 [#00837702]
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I wish I could speak French. I love European culture. It shames me to think of the way we (the British), and recently the American's (who have made some atrocious comments about European denial of the Iraq situation), discrimate against the French and the Germans.
I fucking hate the way football hooligans, coming from here, go off to these amazing towns and cities on the continent and get pissed and start fights etc.
I'm really interested in qualia. I think that it's simple arguments ("what it is like to be....." etc) give philosophy a very humanistic, personal, even emancipatory edge. I think it shows how philosophy differs from the sciences in as much as it helps to undermine the dogma that science is always in danger of becoming.
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 18:05 [#00837706]
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Yeah, I used to be quite pro-Communist but the more I learn about the Bolsheviks the more I despise anything to do with them.
However I also think that the 'commies' prejudice is a typical deep rooted American ignorance that still hasn't been weeded out after so many years.
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Cfern
from Sacto (United States) on 2003-08-26 18:22 [#00837720]
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well communism is a stupid ldea... everyone goes through a phase in college where they think we should all be socialist ....but hopefully most come out of it.... i'm not trying to preach here and i'm i come off like an asshole but i'm really not..... but i'm I was also a history major and every communist goverment has been a disaster for the people...
in order for communism to "work" the goverment must force people to do shit they don't want to do.... and thats lame ...totalianism
but yes often it's cool to sit around get stoned and thinking about shit.
and Europe is great... i love france...
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-26 18:24 [#00837721]
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i dont think communism is a stupid idea but i think its unrealistic and utopian
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2003-08-26 18:25 [#00837723]
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i think people should strive for idealism. its a target, its not meant to be realistic.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-08-26 18:26 [#00837724]
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Philosophers are meanspirited bastards. I keep asking Korben Dallas to tell me what truth is and he refuses time and again. Or he says it is a pickle which is clearly an unsatisfactory response.
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optimus prime
on 2003-08-26 18:43 [#00837737]
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i create my own kitchen sink philosophy based around other people's ideas.
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earface
from somewhere (Yugoslavia) on 2003-08-26 18:56 [#00837742]
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Park bench philosophy. With a bottle of cider
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b0nk
from 1969 in the sunshine (United States) on 2003-08-26 18:57 [#00837743]
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Descarte's meditations are really cool. i also like to read about existentialism, good stuff
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-08-27 18:11 [#00839469]
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Speaking of Meditations, I've been meaning to read Marcus Aurelius ever since they tossed around some of his sayings in an episode of Law and Order.
How's that for shallow? =)
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