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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-07 16:26 [#00049413] | |||||||||
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Am I the only person using an R-8MKII to make sub-amateurbutsomedaygoodgraduallyimproving noise? Doesn't anybody else have any experience with this fantasssstic peice of plassstic? Please, please! I'm idea starved. (holds hands out open upward --fake tears sniff mumbles ...more dramatic pleading ensues) |
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fuck these musicians on 2001-11-07 17:21 [#00049449] | |||||||||
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What is it? What type of equipment? |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-07 17:28 [#00049452] | |||||||||
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Well, if you don't know what an R-8 is in the first place, you probably can't offer any ideas. It's "The HUMAN Rhythm Composer" Ae uses...released '91 (I think?) Fast as FUCK. Great machine. Money well spent. |
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fuck these musicians on 2001-11-07 17:34 [#00049457] | |||||||||
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So is it basically drums and bass sounds then? Yes, you're right. I have 'no idea what an R-8 is', therefore I can't offer you any advice, but I'm trying to learn here, expand my horizons, so while I can't help you, be a chum and help me out, would ya? Christ. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-07 17:49 [#00049469] | |||||||||
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Which is why you should have said so. (chortle) Yes, and no. The R-8MKII has 4 bass samples (one's a 303...not too snazzy), some lame x0x samples (a terrible sounding 808-Kick, others range from not-too-shabby to even worse), CR-78 samples (usable), "real" drum sounds, etc. The fun part is scope edit, you can make some badass noise (like a snare playing 6 times a step at 250bpm panning from right to left or a bunch of clanky metal sounds by messing with the pitch on an open HH.) I've only had it a week, and I'm ready to lock myself in a room with it and not come out for years and years. 8 mono outs. No FX, but you can mess with parameters. Got mine for $365...the originals are much cheaper, but you have to buy cards for them, and you can't use more than one card at the same time... |
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fuck these musicians on 2001-11-07 20:15 [#00049501] | |||||||||
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Much appreciated. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-07 20:46 [#00049507] | |||||||||
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AAH, the R8-II, a fine piece of equipment indeed. Also a favourite of the Warp artists. Thought about getting one myself but I just sample instead. Still, I would like something like that as a good all in one drum box. |
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ervon erbot on 2001-11-08 00:36 [#00049550] | |||||||||
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get a 909 |
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Underwear model on 2001-11-08 01:14 [#00049560] | |||||||||
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Who still needs a drummachine these DAYS ? |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 14:00 [#00049712] | |||||||||
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Why would anyone want to get an overused, overpriced piece of shit like a 909? Hanging onto that thing for ever would be the death of good music. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 16:25 [#00049742] | |||||||||
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Who NEEDS a drumbox? Well, I can think of at least 400 artists. Geez, what? Are you talking about software? Come on- be creative! Using PCs is like forgetting analog- you gotta have that old style shite, it's more inspiring anyway. 16 drum pads, volume sliders, LCD screen, flashy lights, or-a fucking mouse and a keyboard? Come on... |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:22 [#00049756] | |||||||||
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i agree. software is shite. buy noisey boxes to play with, not computers! |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 17:23 [#00049757] | |||||||||
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Er, MIDI? Using a computer for music is used by almost everyone for sequencing. No, we shouldn't forget analogue as not many things beat a good SH101 line but software is excellent and what I don't like is the fact drum machines like the 909 have been done to death. It doesn't help the fact that not many drum machines are made anymore bar recycled sounds in grooveboxes. |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:23 [#00049758] | |||||||||
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does anyone have any experience with akai samplers? specifically s900, s950, or s2000. |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:24 [#00049759] | |||||||||
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the only thing i would use a computer in music for would be sequencing...maybe. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 17:26 [#00049760] | |||||||||
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I'd have to disagree if you think Reaktor and other softsynths are shite, cos things like Vaz beat the pants off a lot of things and the vile prices these analogue pieces go for is criminal. And you can have knobs and sliders with a computer, I got them. Phatboy and controlfreak anyone? Way I see it, both have good and bad points |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:33 [#00049764] | |||||||||
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hardware is so expensive these days because everybody is busy mucking with computers. less people are buying hardware, so the price goes up. if more people bought hardware more often, prices would go down because more people would be buying and selling. it's all based on supply and demand. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:35 [#00049765] | |||||||||
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Knobbing something with your hands and knobbing something with your pointer finger are two completely different things. Taking away the equpiment and "setup" of it all just serves to take all of the fun and meaning out of it. YOUR setup will look exactly the same as somebody else's--a big ugly white box. Whereas learning how to fuck electronics and get some prime noise, and, sure sequencing with a PC instead of an MMT8 adds that element of creativity. Using a PC for everything is like manufacturing, as opposed to making, music. And cost, too, is one thing that will inspire you to get the most out of your equipment. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 17:37 [#00049767] | |||||||||
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Thats bullshit, computer sampling is the reason you can now buy an Akai S5000 for £750 instead of £1250. Prices have gone up for analogue because most companies went digital and VA cos its cheaper, so with less analogues being produced, they are rarer. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:40 [#00049768] | |||||||||
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I know positively nothing about samplers. Part of my approach to writing musique thusfar has been to not buy anything new until the old equipment is like an integrated part of my body. Also helps save money. |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:40 [#00049769] | |||||||||
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i have an mmt-8 too. it's nice. the problem with software is that everyone goes and gets the same software because they all want the software that's the best, and that's only a few pieces of software. with hardware, you may have a piece that's the same as someone else, but you can have a large combination of pieces that will make your setup different. oh yeah, i'm sure it's real fun to watch someone click a mouse at a show too... |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 17:42 [#00049770] | |||||||||
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The possibilities with Reaktor are greater than most hardware synths considering you make the sounds yourself. Sure, making the synth isn't as fun as soldering a circuit but who can be arsed with a monophonic synth? |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:42 [#00049771] | |||||||||
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Exactly. There's no such thing as a "niche program". |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:44 [#00049772] | |||||||||
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i want a sampler so i can go twack things and find objects that make odd sounds. the supply and demand theory is correct. if everyone uses computers, less people use hardware. therefore, i could sell a keyboard for 500 bucks because there would be so few on the market. if more people used hardware, there would be more keyboards to be sold. i then could not sell my keyboard for 500 dollars when someone is selling the same one for 300 because people would want the cheaper one. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 17:44 [#00049773] | |||||||||
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MMT8's are cool though =) Reliable x20 than a pc, thats why orbital use about 6 live. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:44 [#00049774] | |||||||||
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Not that's probably worth your money, at least. And, damn, all C++ brought me was bad report cards and pointless DOS progs. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:47 [#00049776] | |||||||||
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I want to try using tape loops for sampling...I found a few reels, but I can't find a player/recorder, esp. not the one mentioned in this 1970something "How To Make Electronic Music" book I found about Moogs and ARPs and such. |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:50 [#00049778] | |||||||||
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heheh...tape sampling and reels. that's how autechre started out. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 17:51 [#00049779] | |||||||||
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Yeah, but you're talking about at the moment. The reason why they are so expensive at the moment is because their was a craze that everything analogue is cool, but what about the DX7? In a few years, what you are saying is right, but at the moment, people are still buying hardware. And to be honest, editing a sample on a pc using recycle is a lot easier and no less creative just becasue you are using a screen instead of a box with a smaller less defined screen. I love my hardware synths, but the interfaces on some of them stunt creativity. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:54 [#00049782] | |||||||||
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Yeah, I find all that working in a room with a huge modular cutting up pieces of tape and making your own noise with carbon mics appealing, musically. Of course, I'll have to substitute a Nord Modular for the real thing, unless I can get that damn time machine to work ("sold as is"...pshhh) |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 17:54 [#00049783] | |||||||||
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i prefer the hard work and challenge that goes into making music. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 17:56 [#00049784] | |||||||||
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Soft synths like ReBirth though....I can see completely where you are coming from. I looked for a reel to reel but had no luck :/ |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:56 [#00049785] | |||||||||
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But, instant access to play out an idea isn't always the best. What if the idea's a dumb idea? A clunky interface would force you to work out the idea on a much smaller scale, thus forcing you to make more and more ideas about one particular idea, until you actually come up with some GOOD ones. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:58 [#00049787] | |||||||||
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I don't know...i'd pay good for one. Maybe Ae will sell me theirs. |
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2-Me0-PhNMePr2N from (((trapped in hyperspace))) on 2001-11-08 17:58 [#00049788] | |||||||||
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Yeah, more challenge means more creativity required...that's my main point. |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 18:01 [#00049790] | |||||||||
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i think with software, alot of people have made crap because it was so easy to use. they throw down something in minutes and are like "hey, this is almost as good as daft punk!" i have to think long and hard about what i want to do before i commit myself to making something like a drum pattern because a lot goes into what sounds i want, timing, beat placement, flow, etc. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 18:02 [#00049791] | |||||||||
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But with computers you've sometimes got more options so you can do more and do more with your music...I do agree half and half really, I have to turn my monitor off when I listen to my music because after working with a pc sequencer you start to see it instead of hear it. |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 18:02 [#00049792] | |||||||||
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with hardware, you have to exercise your brain a little more. |
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hevquip from a giraffes throat on 2001-11-08 18:04 [#00049793] | |||||||||
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all those options are something i dont always care for because a) i have hard time making decisions and b) with hardware, i have to go "how would i make this sound?" once i get that sound, i'm excited because i had to find the method in it, rather than clicking on an option. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 18:08 [#00049794] | |||||||||
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I sample with soundfonts. I record from vinyl onto the pc and sequence it using cakewalk. I don't reckon doing that with hardware samplers makes you use your brain any more. If you are creative enough, excellent music will prevail. You can bash out some beats on Rebirth and it can sound like daft punk but it still sounds wank or you can use computers to make and change your own sounds...you don't have to reach for the presets. |
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B3n from Sheffield on 2001-11-08 18:09 [#00049795] | |||||||||
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and its not always easy. |
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Pusher of the Square from Mars on 2001-11-08 18:27 [#00049799] | |||||||||
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ah yet agian a post has morphed into a hardware vs. software issue. Really in the end its whatever works and makes you happy. Roland does make good products IMO |
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Henry Rodrick from Sweden on 2001-11-08 22:03 [#00049857] | |||||||||
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I quited working with pc for music... now i only use an Atari for sequencing.. the rest is harware with flashy LEDs and knobs! :) |
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