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epohs
from )C: on 2003-08-08 06:31 [#00814208]
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prolly a.
would ice cream makers rather:
a. have people walk into a store, steal a tub of ice cream, and maybe come back to the store and give the checkout girl some money if they really liked it?
or
b. just buy the damn ice cream?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-08-08 06:39 [#00814210]
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Neither...I would prefer people to buy the music and like it. There is no long term finance in either of the other options so pretty quickly you are going to be in a position where you can't continue making music professionally.
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Clic
on 2003-08-08 06:41 [#00814211]
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Tango & Cash, Nacmat?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-08-08 06:48 [#00814216]
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Although if you make a high proportion of your earnings from Djing and live shows then it would obviously be better for people to download the hit for free and really like it, because they would go and see your shows.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-08-08 06:57 [#00814222]
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For me the answer is obviously the download.
But some of you probably already know my stance on downloading VS selling rekkids.
I never want to sell music! I want to make absolutely heaps of the best music I possibly can and then let you all hear it for free because I love you!
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-08-08 06:59 [#00814223]
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why do you ask us this question ?
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-08-08 07:04 [#00814227]
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it depends... if I was an artist, and I spent thousands of dollars making an album, I would rather they buy it, and if they didn't listen to it, well too bad... but if I spent a lot of time and money on something, I wouldn't want people stealing it...
however, if I just made a song on my home computer in a couple hours, I wouldn't care!
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:06 [#00814231]
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let people hear the whole thing first then decide if they want to buy it
the amount of shit ive bought in my time and not liked yet since slsk ive bought 50-60% of the albums ive d/l because they were good and i wasnt wasting my money
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:07 [#00814232]
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oh 'b'
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:08 [#00814233]
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i mean, just think, for decades before p2p, so many people used to buy albums *gasp* without hearing them first. do those millions of people feel like fools for relying on an artist's reputation (how much they like them or how much most people like them), a good review, or a hit single? shit no. and i still will buy things based on good reviews or a good reputation (certain artists i always buy their new album). it's just part of being a music fan.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:10 [#00814240]
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as a counterpoint to what i just said, i'm also in the same boat as you. i end up buying 50-75% of the albums i download because i always end up liking what i hear. the music i love the most gets bought soonest. p2p has resulted in me buying at least 300 albums in the last 5 years of p2p downloading. the other 350-400 i own are things i had pre-p2p or things i've bought based on good reviews or artist rep.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:12 [#00814246]
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B.
Ive already accepted the fact that I will never be able to live off my music that I will release on CDs. IDM is not a profitable genre. Simple as that.
Of course Ill still put CDs out, because there ARE people who will buy... but I am completely fine with people just downloading my music and enjoying it.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:13 [#00814247]
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good reviews count for nothing compared to your own opinion
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:14 [#00814250]
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what a baffling comment
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:16 [#00814257]
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IDM is profitable if you're willing to do all of the following:
1) collaborate with a hot singer 2) score commercials 3) tour with artists/bands you can't stand 4) remix artists/bands you can't stand
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:17 [#00814261]
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"350-400 i own are things i had pre-p2p or things i've bought based on good reviews"
sorry i should quote :D
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:17 [#00814263]
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ah the old aphex route
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:18 [#00814266]
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yes and of those 350-400, i'd say only 10-15 ended up being regrettable decisions
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:20 [#00814269]
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...and we thank you for that. But there are some people (like myself) that would prefer to make it into a career (cuz work sucks), I have bills to pay. I'd like to give everyone music for free, but the taxcollecters want my money for some reason.
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:23 [#00814274]
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$100-150 out of pocket when you think about it
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:28 [#00814280]
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that's nothing over a span of a few years, plus it's not like they're bad albums, just not as good as expected. they'll still have some good songs on them.
one good thing about p2p is it's indirectly challenging artists, even teen pop artists, to make better albums. the fans now have the opportunity to hear the whole album before deciding to buy it. i think this is one of the main reasons people like britney spears are working with more talented producers like the neptunes, william orbit, and daft punk, instead of just the "hit squad" who made some popular early singles but a lot of filler on the album. same goes for every other artist.. it's up to them to craft the "must have" album, not just a decent album with some good songs on it.
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Refund
from Melbourne (Australia) on 2003-08-08 07:31 [#00814284]
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do those millions of people feel like fools for relying on an artist's reputation (how much they like them or how much most people like them), a good review, or a hit single? shit no. and i still will buy things based on good reviews or a
good reputation (certain artists i always buy their new album). it's just part of being a music fan.
-wise words titsworth, I fully agree
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:32 [#00814290]
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good points
is BS really working with daft punk
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:34 [#00814292]
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"IDM is profitable if you're willing to do all of the following: 1) collaborate with a hot singer 2) score commercials 3) tour with artists/bands you can't stand 4) remix artists/bands you can't stand"
Well yes, but I was just refering to CD sales alone.
1. Sure, if I like her 2. Sure, if I like the commericial 3. no 4. no
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:34 [#00814293]
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i have to admit i bought smojphace as many probly did because its afx not because its good
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:34 [#00814294]
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on her new album, along with moby, william orbit, p. diddy, the neptunes, fred durst, and i forget who else..
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nobsmuggler
from silly mid-off on 2003-08-08 07:36 [#00814297]
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i wonder how much they got payed?
i might give it listen though it has some good pedigree to it
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:36 [#00814298]
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"1. Sure, if I like her"
could be a him (look at BT's collabs with that guy from n*sync, i think his name is JC Chasez)
as for #3 and #4, what about the opportunity for a little shit-stirring?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:38 [#00814302]
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i'd really like to hear the tracks she did with fred durst, not because i like the guy but because he describes the tracks he produced (like an electronic artist would produce them) as portishead style. also, chris vrenna (aka tweaker) co-produced and co-wrote 1 or 2 of the durst/spears tracks, and he's a mega talent.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:39 [#00814303]
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thats true, I would work with a guy... if I liked his sound. But im more inclined to work with a woman. I dont know why...
3&4.. I really doubt I would do it... i dont think the busy touring schedual would be worth it
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:40 [#00814304]
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speaking of BT, have you heard his new album?
Aside from the hedious album cover... the music is pretty tight
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:43 [#00814306]
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hideous?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:57 [#00814320]
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hideous
haven't heard it or seen the cover yet. would like to.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 07:58 [#00814322]
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Cover
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 08:02 [#00814325]
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that is horrendous! do you like the track with guru? (trk 2)
also i have to ask you.. what's with the LeCoeur bashing on the other board? it's really disappointing to see. i mean she hasn't done anything to you, hasn't even talked to you in, what, a year? i don't mean to ruin the thread or the mood, but i've just got to ask. it's pretty offensive.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 08:16 [#00814338]
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I only heard the CD once, my friend was playing it... so I dont really recall.
shall we continue the rest of this via email?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-08 08:20 [#00814344]
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if you want.. i mean i don't have much else to say, it's just disappointing to see that
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-08 08:48 [#00814384]
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email sent
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