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So... what do you think will happen? Will Bush get re-elected? I mean, I think we can all agree that he SHOUDLNT... but that doesnt mean americans arent dumb, and will vote for him again. I really dont know... somehow I see him getting re-elected... I wish it werent so... but, I dont know... a gut feeling :-\ |
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Well to be fair they didn't vote him in to the position in the first place, I am sure the same people who fixed it last time can do the same again. |
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true true |
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Got a better alternative? Bush is fine, give him a break for goodness sake. At least he has been a business man. There is nothing worse than a politician who has been just a politician, trust me. |
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oh yeah... war, and taking us out of our surplus, and into a 300+ billion dollar deficit... *thumbs up!* :-D |
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Fixed? Please don't start conspiracy theory crap. Yawn. |
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i vote for the terminator |
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no, i think he might actually get not reellected even americans (sorry) see that he is a fuck up: even the republicans kinda begin to have had it with (of course) the money going into the war, or actually the fact there isnt a plan for it, just: o it's more expensive then we thought again. and they understand the impossible combination of that, lowering taxes and restoring the economy. but most of all what i said: even americans can see what an iq of less then average amounts to |
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Conspiracy theory? Erm, it isn't exactly a theory when the majority of people voted Gore but due to the college vote system Bush got in. Also it isn't a theory that Bush only won Florida's votes because there was a number of military votes which came in after the deadline and Jeb Bush decided that the votes where still eligible (never been allowed before to my knowledge). It is no coincidence that the republican party is very popular with the military due to their budgetry promises to the armed services. |
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i really hope you are right... |
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It comes to something that the person with the fewer number of votes becomes president of the self appointed greatest democracy in the world. |
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business men: dont make me laugh! getting a oil company from daddy to run, get in baseball, sell after a few years with huge profit: the easy way doesnt do anything for useful experience, just make him lower taxes for the highest incomes. |
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indeed i mean, why is there even an electoral college? it makes NO sense. why do we even have the popular vote? Maybe I dont understand the process fully... and its probable that I dont... I dont study government and politics... but to me, it seems it should be as simple as: let the people vote. make that vote the one that counts. can someone expliain? |
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if the americans vote for bush again, well it just prove certain things, and america should look at that as they have problems that needs to be solved. |
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those votes came in after those all those days with the recounting? anyway, gore just should have been smarter: communicate with the press the way bushy did in journeys with bush |
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ecnadniarb, Well if Bush got in through the college vote system then it wasn't fixed. Your missing the point you said it was fixed. Fixed suggests it was unlawful, it wasn't. |
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hmm good point... so can someone explain what the relavence of the electoral college vs the popular vote is? i mean, ok, so it was a big deal about the florida votes... but why was it a big deal, if it was all left to the electoral college? |
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i can explain but i'll be to slow anyway: every state one vote: bush more votes: more people in the other states that voted for gore though. i believe |
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War spending isn't a bad thing it actually helps to boost the economy believe it or not. |
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George Bush's CV Accomplishments As President: Attacked and took over two countries. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history. Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/) Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history. My presidency is the most secreti |
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it was fixed because eventually, somewhat understandable, the legal fights were stopped at a point that bush was winning: stuff like earlier said about those votes, might have let gore win though if the trial would have been finished. but it's petty stuff, bad luck, with desertrous results. really: i remember thinking: interesting, wonder what will happen, 2 wars and i dont know what, environmental stuff, economy, wellfare... made me regret that interested thought |
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... cont My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her). First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history. First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission. First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. Withdrew from the World Court of Law. Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections). All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history. First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. First president to run and hid |
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...cont First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government. Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history). With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.' Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects. In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War. Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. Records and References: At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has be |
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... cont (Wow, there's so much of it!!) Records and References: At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available) AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war. Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. That's about it. |
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i believe he is a hard worker: even working on his ranche and stuff. what do you mean with the execution? that wasnt when he was governer? is it that instead of letting the execution be done by the state now the country did. he is wrong, evilly stupid stuborn: america is gonna be punished for it: all bad comes back to you. i mean when they're in the gutter over like 50 years: china isnt even gonna make the trouble of pissing on them. |
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Get a life you crypto communist nut. |
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Directed a Peloton. Jeeze there really are some nutty socialists in my country. I do appologise for having them. |
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Kinda blows your Bush is good stance outta the water, eh? You keep using the crypto-communist tag (accusing warp of it yesterday). It's not clever, little boy. |
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yo promo i don`t wanna start anything but i was just wondering where your extreme right-wing views stem from? are you a capitalist? do you agree with capitalism? |
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yeah have a argumented discussion anyone any thoughts on my comments? |
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hooray for boobies! sorry, just had to get that out of my system |
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dont mind that comment though |
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The electoral college assign a number of 'votes' to different states depending on their population and 'importance' economically etc. These are set in advance of any election. The condidate with the popular vote in each state recieves that states college votes. At the end of the election the candidate with the highest number of college votes gets in. The last election was so finely balanced that had bush not have gained Florida he wouldn't have won...there was a lot of shady stuff going on in Florida such as the military votes and complaints from major black areas of deliberate obstruction of their voting (black americans tend to vote democrat) which led to a number of black residents not being able to vote by the close of the election. If they where stopped because the deadline had passed how come the military votes received the next day were allowed? |
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Peloton, Sweet. Keep going down this path its good for you because it leads no where. Lol. |
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er, yeah... excellent retort. pfft. what a plumb. |
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i dont believe the obstruction: thats third world |
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Peloton, So when did they let you out of the nuthouse? |
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lots of things happen in Florida... but yeah, that's some of the less flattering things... =( fuck. it. |
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i dont wanna be of to much of a hassle: but i want to know if anyone read my posts. so i know wether its of use posting about politics in the future. |
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Mr Key does not like Bush. Bush has very weird ideas / values, and is a very bad rolemodel for the kids. The least you can expect from a president is to have good values, I mean what the fuck are you voting for otherwise?... Mr Key is typing. words. |
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Mr Key wants to add that many people do not know what politics is about, nor how it ought to work, and why. And that is a shame. |
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i wouldnt call the values bad, way too strict enforced, yes. please answer my question |
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BUSHIE 4 PREZ!!! 4 MO' YEARS, BITCHEZ!!! |
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I didn't really read your posts, sorry. Bush has 'no-good* values'... I mean most people do (sorry), but it's most likely because they just haven't thought about it... *meaning they could be better. |
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i don't think it has anything to do with economic importance. After a census is taken, a state gets a number of representatives that is a reflection of the population of the state. In the electoral college, a state gets a number of electors that is equal to the number of representatives a state has + 2 (for the 2 senators). then the party that wins the popular vote of a state gets all the electoral votes of that state. Except for in nebraska and Maine who go by districts and can split electoral votes. So the electoral college is supposed to keep the power in the hands of the states without giving congress the power to vote for a president. This is because, if congress did get to choose the president, a president might be less likely to vetoe a bill for example so as not to alienate congress. therefore the electoral college was created to represent congressional votes for president. So, in short, the electoral college electors are like proxy state congressmen. The initial intent of the Electoral College was to fight the occurance of corruption in the voting system. Supposedly, the electors are non-biased and also more informed than the general populace and can therefore handle the responsibility and weight of such an important decision. Although the electors are not required to vote as the state's popular vote mandates, less than 1% of the electors have been 'unfaithful' historically. whether or not this system actually works is difficult to say. most people don't even understand the electoral college or how it works and consequently are not in a position to criticize its effectiveness. Also, the electoral college does not budget for P.R. so it is easy for the media to lambast it's effectiveness without fear of retalitory remarks by the electoral college. either way, i can't wait to vote against that jack-ass in the next election |
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fuck this |
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big, Yes I've been reading your posts. |
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Has anyone checked out Peloton site? Jeeze I thought Jonesy was a nut seems he just had a slight tick compared to Peloton. |
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gett offa bushie's case, ya buncha liberal sissies! just look at my avatar - could those bambi eyes ever lie? |
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