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applied to this concept, but strategic might work. the use of arrythmia might also be a bit of a malapropism, but one could opt for some sappy metaphor like 'the music is his heart, his love' but I dont even know if that's entirely true... now.. onto getting you up to speed with whatever the fuck it is I'm talking about. (as I can already see this thread plummeting to the 201-300 section of the archives within minutes after the initial post) alright.. on with it already. a-to-the-hem. mic check. the one thing I'm sure most people found most attractive or most intriguing in the trailblaze that is richard james' and tom jenkinson's music (I'm also assuming it typically takes place in that order.. and leaving out mike paladinas, who in this group is like the annoying little brother that wants to play too) is how the fuck one managed to conceive and bring to life/dat the frantic, photon-speed rhythmic patterns after crafting ethereal, very alien pieces of sound and soundscapes with layer upon layer of harmonizing textural melody. of course, all of this, and the fact that it all fucking somehow works. not a bleep or snare or wahteverthefuck is out of place. no matter how impossible it seems to reproduce or even conceive to produce in the first place, it all fits into the time signature. and this is only one of many things to gawk at in any random selection of these artists' respective discographies. of course, these layers, subtle yet noticable tweaks, and melodies all take time to develop; it is the rapid-fire release of all these things --- one right after the next.. each sounding more and more otherworldly.. or like the sounds of autonomic subatomic or cellular entities operating as they do naturally..--- that alters one's perception providing the immediate assumption that this all took place on the fly.. spontaneously.. without thought.. the farthest thing from premeditation and contrivance..... .when in reality, not |
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..... .when in reality, nothing could be further from the reality of the creative process behind this music (I hope (?) but do these artists ever betray that meticulous adherence to the intricate rhythms that operate just outside the reaches of our thresholds? ie do they ever throw in some out of rhythm elements to spice shit up.. ? snare rushes, triplets etc.. I'm sure most echos/delays are not programmed to be compatible w/ the beat's tempo/bpm down to the x millisecond.. but the speed at which these tracks operate do not afford/allow us the discerning ear employed with slower rhythms that are far easier to grasp for one to call out such a discrepancy. if this is the case, it certainly demystifies the artistry of these artists.. however only slightly.. as the ratio of fascinating intricacies in programming to the opposite still weighs far greater on the former.. because also there is artistic liscence which would allow for purposeful chaos within an already chaotic expression/subgenre the case is much different for squarepusher, as his disregard for song structure on a larger scale comes off as a general void in talent or vision for that kind of thing.. something, along with melodic structure/movement and harmonies, is something that RDJ has a lot of and >[] seems to have very little of. the only thing that jenkinson may claim over james is his superior technical abilities wiht live instruments.. in fact .. his skills on the bass would probably rank him higher than some of the most accomplished players.. . while listening to a lot of go plastic, it occured to me that many of the tracks were not real songs.. but rather fragments of ideas loosely tied together by noisey soundscapes (go! spastic comes to mind).. take those away and the whole thing falls apart. in the end all that really matters is what the final product sounds like regardless of intent or the artist's lacking vision and how the listener responds to it.. but I'd say as a bottom line that squarepusher is more interesting than it |
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...more interesting than it is fulfilling.. while afx is equally interesting ..but this provided interest happens to be coupled with a fulfilling musical experience when he's at his absolute best if you've made it this far.. let me know what you think of these scary insights and hwo you regard/contrast afx & sqp in this respect |
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Aphex can make good music Squarepusher can make good music I read all your waffle and I disagree with most of it. You are lexically masturbating RDJ when SM Pennyworth off this board has produced tracks as good as anything Richard has released in the past 6 years. |
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i don't think that due to the speed of the tracks the imperfections are inaudible, slow them down and you'll have all the time you need to analyse the beats, the occasional random sound is also on purpose i think... comparing afx to sp, i think that tom is more fucked up in his mind, especially now (remember rdj is like 30+ with a kid or nearly) and obviously he does more "experimentations" than rdj, who now does everything he likes and sometimes releases it, but rdj is clearly more on control of every aspect and parameters of his music than tom, i think it's obvious when you hear his last material, he can do practically what he wants with his music right now, kind of like on top of his game... |
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well, yeah but their talents may be equally matched.. or .. no offense to pennyworth.. his style as good as it is, is an reappropriated approximation of something that another person started.. though he has began to go off on his own .. all of us have our inspirations.. it's more remarkable to be the inspiration rather than the inspired.. especially when the inspiration you provided is as groundbreaking as rdjs |
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they're inaudible to the casual listener.. I'd think most people wouldnt go so far as to slow them down to point out a rhythmic inaccuracy.. it's the final product as intended that is what is to be heard and enjoyed for what it is.. |
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Name one music style that RDJ has created? |
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haha I dont know if he's created a genre.. but there's only one windowlicker and rdjlp and nannou and all that u-ziq et al = derivative |
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He does what he does well I don't argue with that, but by your logic Luke Vibert is the daddy of them all and recent RDJ et al are all just derivatives of him. |
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and how did you arrive at this conclusion |
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Well Vibert was the inspiration behind RDJ's move into drill and faster breaks. |
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but he added so much to it.. and think about yellow calx.. those arent just 33rpm breakbeats played at 45 |
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..to understate |
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I think aphex's talent is taking a style and doing his thing with it to make something really interesting out of it, I don't think techno would be the same without saw 1 thinking that some of the stuff on there was from 85 i think that is probably his most groundbreaking release but i think he has a talent for showing people up. |
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HE said it was from 85. Don't get me wrong he is an excellent artist, just more than a bit overrated by some people. |
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very few can do what he does.. even fewer can innovate like he does |
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i think RDJ and david bowie are very similar in musical approach as in they both havnt nessaserly created a style of music but both have taken what there is to new limits |
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I think most people are missing my point |
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Well you know, i like to take people for who they are even if i don't know them, which might be a shortcoming but i think even if it isn't, in my honest opinion i think it kick's ass and i won't be persuaded otherwise. Aphex opened my mind in so many ways so i'll stick by what he does and my opinion. |
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Probably but you are getting people to communicate which is good. |
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though some people are making good points as well |
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Sorry i am guilty of staying, it's kind of like opening pandora's box, it creates more questions than it answers. If you get my meaning? |
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what? |
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aphex philosophy is "no limits", he'll do everything and wathever he wants, mix anything together, rip everybody, create new chords moves, loop a loop for 10 min, records sounds in his vault, etc... that is aphex for me, he does not limit himself squarepusher i find more struggling with his mind, especially now he seem a lot more perturbated. i think he need to sort his life a bit in order for his music to attain new highs on the subject of techniques, i think the music made on actual sequencing software (or trackers) can be so precise and "perfect" in a sense, that maybe they tend to put imperfections back in the mix, but it's not random at all |
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oh my god i'm just listening vordhosbn slowed down 50% and the programming is amazing |
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I think that aphex twins RDJ album/windowlicker/come2daddy tracks glow with a different strange intellectual brilliance. The tracks are very eerie, unconventional and mentally polished. Now I think that some tracks by otto von schirach, crunch, autechre, richard devine are even more extreme in this nature. I think two major classes of music are 1) music that largely replicates from mind to mind memetically. this includes genres that catch on such as "trance" or something, and even catchy commercials probably. this type has an advantage as far as replication goes because it is easier to replicate, easier to like and therefore gets replicated more and heard by more brains. With more brains thinking about it due to it's larger exposure, it has a greater chance to get replicated more. In other words it has high fecundity. 2) music for pleasure/thinking/altering consciousness perhaps |
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"With more brains thinking about it due to it's larger exposure, it has a greater chance to get replicated more." so we're talking memes here? |
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It's not concieved in the traditional sense, it's trial and error, delegation to different programs and the choice of results. Each sound isn't placed. |
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