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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 08:41 [#00803897]
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You really must read this...
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 08:42 [#00803898]
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now that the war on drugs and war on terrorism have been won, the u.s. begins its war on truth (assisted by big media)
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-08-01 08:46 [#00803913]
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good thing we've got the unbiased views of admitted u.s. haters to tell us what to think
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Spacecadet
on 2003-08-01 08:49 [#00803919]
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i'm kinda sick of it all now, i don't really care
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 08:49 [#00803920]
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hope you don't mean me... also i hope you realize the difference between criticizing government and criticizing a country
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-08-01 08:51 [#00803930]
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no. not at all. my comment wasn't directed at any specific member, person, gov't, or organization.
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and yea, i understand the difference.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 08:52 [#00803931]
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good.. cos so many don't get it that our government seldom represents the public
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 08:54 [#00803936]
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my mother has trouble with that. I tried to point that out to her only today.
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 08:56 [#00803941]
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Is that the same public that "according to a national poll, believe Iraq was behind the 11 September attacks."?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 08:59 [#00803942]
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oh, and I wonder who reported THAT?
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 08:59 [#00803945]
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Apathy is what allows these fucks to get away with the shit they do.
Still, it's your perogative not to care.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 09:02 [#00803949]
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It's not apathy - it's careful manipulation. Don't blame the victims, blame the motherfucking perpetrators.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:02 [#00803950]
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the same public that when polled another time said they were against invading iraq
i'm not saying the public is savvy enough not to believe lies from the govt and the media but don't assume that the public is in agreement with them. i mean as much spin as the bush administration puts on everything, his approval rating is way down.
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-08-01 09:14 [#00803963]
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also, don't assume that the news that you're reading is without spin. everyone has their agendas.
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 09:14 [#00803965]
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I mentioned apathy in response to spacecadet's post (I forgot to hit the reply to link).
Sure blame the perpetrators but ultimately 'they' can only do what they do with the consent of the people. If the general public were as concerned about politics as they are with say sports or movies etc, then I'd dare say such events would arise.
The people get the government they deserve.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:18 [#00803976]
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how can you be passionate about something that does nothing but harm and misrepresent you? to the minds of most americans, politics is synonymous with politicians, who they despise. without an insight into how they can change their system, and thus their lives, of course they'll be passive. it's those of us that realize that you can make a difference that are passionate about politics and know what's really going on.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 09:23 [#00803984]
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George Bush was made President AGAINST the consent of the people.
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 09:26 [#00803992]
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Yet until the rising body count in post-war Iraq, he had the highest approval rating of any US president EVER!
Isn't life weird?
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:28 [#00803995]
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that's because of (his coordinating of?) the 9/11 terrorist attack
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 09:30 [#00803998]
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yes - exactly -- just like Bush Snr's approval rating leapt during the first gulf war.
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 09:32 [#00804004]
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"how can you be passionate about something that does nothing
but harm and misrepresent you?"
Surely that's a reason TO be passionate then? If the world was governed like some Eden-like place I could understand their passivity. It's not. But still the majority of people behave like sightless little birds and swallow anyhting given to them.
Just fucks me off thats all.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:32 [#00804006]
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trading foreign and american lives and alliances with other world leaders for a high domestic approval rating
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:33 [#00804007]
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no b/c it doesn't dawn on them, it's an unrealized feeling/understanding.
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