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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 08:41 [#00803897] Points: 651 Status: Lurker
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 | You really must read this...
 
 click here
 
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 08:42 [#00803898] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | now that the war on drugs and war on terrorism have been won, the u.s. begins its war on truth (assisted by big
 media)
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2003-08-01 08:46 [#00803913] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | good thing we've got the unbiased views of admitted u.s. haters to tell us what to think
 
 
 
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         |  Spacecadet
             on 2003-08-01 08:49 [#00803919] Points: 1790 Status: Lurker
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 | i'm kinda sick of it all now, i don't really care 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 08:49 [#00803920] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to epohs: #00803913
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 | hope you don't mean me... also i hope you realize the difference between criticizing government and criticizing a
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2003-08-01 08:51 [#00803930] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00803920
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 | no.  not at all.  my comment wasn't directed at any specific member, person, gov't, or organization.
 [/disclaimer]
 
 and yea, i understand the difference.
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 08:52 [#00803931] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to epohs: #00803930
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 | good.. cos so many don't get it that our government seldom represents the public
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 08:54 [#00803936] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00803920
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 | my mother has trouble with that. I tried to point that out to her only today.
 
 
 
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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 08:56 [#00803941] Points: 651 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00803931
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 | Is that the same public that "according to a national poll, believe Iraq was behind the 11 September attacks."?
 
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 08:59 [#00803942] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00803941
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 | oh, and I wonder who reported THAT? 
 
 
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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 08:59 [#00803945] Points: 651 Status: Lurker
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 | Apathy is what allows these fucks to get away with the shit
 they do.
 
 Still, it's your perogative not to care.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 09:02 [#00803949] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00803945
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 | It's not apathy - it's careful manipulation. Don't blame the victims, blame the motherfucking perpetrators.
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:02 [#00803950] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00803941
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 | the same public that when polled another time said they were against invading iraq
 
 i'm not saying the public is savvy enough not to believe
 lies from the govt and the media but don't assume that the
 public is in agreement with them. i mean as much spin as the
 bush administration puts on everything, his approval rating
 is way down.
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2003-08-01 09:14 [#00803963] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | also, don't assume that the news that you're reading is without spin.  everyone has their agendas.
 
 
 
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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 09:14 [#00803965] Points: 651 Status: Lurker
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 | I mentioned apathy in response to spacecadet's post (I forgot to hit the reply to link).
 
 Sure blame the perpetrators but ultimately 'they' can only
 do what they do with the consent of the people. If the
 general public were as concerned about politics as they are
 with say sports or movies etc, then I'd dare say such events
 would arise.
 
 The people get the government they deserve.
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:18 [#00803976] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00803965
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 | how can you be passionate about something that does nothing but harm and misrepresent you? to the minds of most
 americans, politics is synonymous with politicians, who they
 despise. without an insight into how they can change their
 system, and thus their lives, of course they'll be passive.
 it's those of us that realize that you can make a difference
 that are passionate about politics and know what's really
 going on.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 09:23 [#00803984] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | George Bush was made President AGAINST the consent of the people.
 
 
 
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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 09:26 [#00803992] Points: 651 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #00803984
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 | Yet until the rising body count in post-war Iraq, he had the highest approval rating of any US president EVER!
 
 Isn't life weird?
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:28 [#00803995] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00803992
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 | that's because of (his coordinating of?) the 9/11 terrorist attack
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-08-01 09:30 [#00803998] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00803995
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 | yes - exactly -- just like Bush Snr's approval rating leapt during the first gulf war.
 
 
 
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         |  Peloton
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-08-01 09:32 [#00804004] Points: 651 Status: Lurker | Followup to titsworth: #00803976
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 | "how can you be passionate about something that does nothing 
 but harm and misrepresent you?"
 
 Surely that's a reason TO be passionate then? If the world
 was governed like some Eden-like place I could understand
 their passivity. It's not. But still the majority of people
 behave like sightless little birds and swallow anyhting
 given to them.
 
 Just fucks me off thats all.
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:32 [#00804006] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #00803998
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 | trading foreign and american lives and alliances with other world leaders for a high domestic approval rating
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-01 09:33 [#00804007] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker | Followup to Peloton: #00804004
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 | no b/c it doesn't dawn on them, it's an unrealized feeling/understanding.
 
 
 
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