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offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:37 [#00800235]
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Link

basically, it says if a woman says "stop" during sex, if the
guy doesnt stop immediately... its rape.

Now, Ok, I can understand it, and yeah, a guy should stop...
but I do see it being a very delicate matter... I mean, how
can you prove it? It would be her word against his. If they
are already having sex, then there would be physical
evidence that they had sex, but how can you prove that they
said stop?

I dunno... I just think it could lead to problems about
false accusations


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-07-30 09:38 [#00800239]
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well you know

no is one thing

stop is another


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:39 [#00800242]
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yeaz... laws are weird.
if you know you're proper, just follow yourself.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:39 [#00800243]
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"i thought she said STOMP!" -mr. fetish


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-07-30 09:40 [#00800244]
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Just wait - they'll implement CCTV in every room of every
house - just to 'protect' us.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:40 [#00800247]
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they'll tell us how to have sex... like jesse helms and the
christian coalition


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:41 [#00800248]
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yeah, but how can you use that in court?

it would just be her word against his, there is absolutely
no proof that she said stop. A woman could have sex with a
man, and then just say she said no. They would know they had
sex, because you can check a woman, but there would be
nothing that could prove if she asked him to stop.


 

offline mc_303_beatz from Glasgow, Scotland on 2003-07-30 09:41 [#00800249]
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once you pop, you can't stop!


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:43 [#00800256]
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When i get to the vinegar strokes, wild horse couldn't drag
me off the bitch.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:44 [#00800262]
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they say that most rapes committed on college campuses
result in the woman having consentual sex with the man that,
by the definition provided by the college and sometimes to
local/state/federal law, raped her.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:45 [#00800264]
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Once you stop [listen to mainstream music]
can't [listen to] pop.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:45 [#00800265]
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you mean they were sexual partners before, and then he raped
her, or that the rape claims are actually just lies, and
they just had consentual sex?


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:46 [#00800266]
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if you have sex and the woman doesn't like it that much, is
that rape? I'm just a bit worried that i might have raped
some women in the past and not known.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:47 [#00800269]
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no, sexual partners AFTERwards. the new definition of rape
at some colleges is as loose as any woman having sex while
drunk was raped (not sure if this applies to first timers
only). but even by laxer definitions the same statistic
applies. it just shows how pathetic some colleges are
getting after a few overblown incidents.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:48 [#00800271]
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hahaha


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:49 [#00800274]
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damn... thats wierd...

and fucked up

and the majority of sex that happens in college is under the
influence...


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:50 [#00800279]
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i know, hence the student outrage.. if it weren't for booze
a lot of college kids wouldn't ever get any action


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:51 [#00800281]
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haha... sad but true I guess ;)


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:51 [#00800282]
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its a crazy world we live in



 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:54 [#00800288]
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I've never raped anyone. But i've been present when one was
taking place. It wasn't nice.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:54 [#00800289]
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LOL@Bill.
Maybe there should be a "2 minute finishing up time" rule
that you can use before you have to stop?

Yep, this is a touchy one... similair thing here... bit of a
non-enforcable law though. What if your partner is into
moaning "stop" (without actually wanting you to stop at all)
during the proceedings? What about with a couple where one
or more involved are a deaf and/or dumb person? It's hard
enough to prove "normal" rape, let alone when sex is
intially consenting and changes half way through...

Even bruising or scratches on either party are not "proof"
of resistance- they could be from (consenting) rough sex.

As with most of our hideously outdated rape laws, I imagine
this new one won't work if a man shouts stop... It's still
not recognised that women can commit rape here, there is
some other name for it and the term is a lot shorter.

Moral of the story- don't have sex with psychopaths, people
(ie, people who are likely to shout "stop" just to fuck you
around or by a similair token, those who are likely to carry
on when you're clearly in pain and quite definately want
them to stop).


 

offline xf from Australia on 2003-07-30 09:54 [#00800292]
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....they cant say no if their mouth is gagged


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800294]
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erm, laughing at his first post, not the second one... (I
really should use the follow up button)


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800295]
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really? did you try and help her, and stop the guy?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800298]
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huh. that's madness.


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800299]
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dead girls don't say no to anyone


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 09:57 [#00800300]
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Damn thread title built my hopes up, I thought they made it
legal


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:57 [#00800301]
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I couldn't. there was too many of them. And they were my
friends. But to show my protest, I tried not to look.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800302]
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"Maybe there should be a "2 minute finishing up time" rule
that you can use before you have to stop?"

lol



 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800303]
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thats fucked up man....

did the girl ever go to the police?

its got to feel so dirty to be raped... so degrading


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800304]
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What a gent!


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800305]
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what if a bloke says stop?


 

offline xf from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:00 [#00800308]
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you know exactly where i'm coming from!


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 10:00 [#00800309]
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She was going to go to the police, but she ended up killing
herself before she had the courage to go. I still feel sort
of guilty today.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:00 [#00800310]
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there was a rape case in italy that got all these attention,
because a court ruled that since the girl was wearing jean
pants, she couldnt have been raped.

they said it would be too hard for a guy to pull her pants
off, so she had to have taken them off consentually.

which is BS, what if the guy just like, beats her, until she
takes them off?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:01 [#00800311]
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jesus dude


 

offline xf from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800315]
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jokes aside; holy shit, that's fucking awful :(

you still friends with these people?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800316]
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arre you serrious


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800317]
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That is such bullshit.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800318]
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So they didn't egg you on to have a go? I thought you'd be
up for blowing your muck right up her rectum


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800319]
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she was my little sister.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:04 [#00800322]
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dude, are you just fucking with us?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-07-30 10:04 [#00800323]
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yes man


 

offline xf from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:04 [#00800324]
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?

are you joking about all this?


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:05 [#00800325]
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its really not funny


 

offline xf from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:05 [#00800327]
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oh well, back to having sex with dead girls


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-07-30 10:05 [#00800328]
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s u c k e r r s


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 10:06 [#00800330]
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Let's face it, we all like a little resistence. If she's
totally game for it and whaps her cunt out at the drop of a
hat then it's no fun.


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 10:06 [#00800332]
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Some people are rather gullible.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:07 [#00800333]
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youre an asshole man


 


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