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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:37 [#00800235]
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basically, it says if a woman says "stop" during sex, if the guy doesnt stop immediately... its rape.
Now, Ok, I can understand it, and yeah, a guy should stop... but I do see it being a very delicate matter... I mean, how can you prove it? It would be her word against his. If they are already having sex, then there would be physical evidence that they had sex, but how can you prove that they said stop?
I dunno... I just think it could lead to problems about false accusations
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2003-07-30 09:38 [#00800239]
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well you know
no is one thing
stop is another
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:39 [#00800242]
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yeaz... laws are weird. if you know you're proper, just follow yourself.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:39 [#00800243]
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"i thought she said STOMP!" -mr. fetish
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-07-30 09:40 [#00800244]
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Just wait - they'll implement CCTV in every room of every house - just to 'protect' us.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:40 [#00800247]
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they'll tell us how to have sex... like jesse helms and the christian coalition
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:41 [#00800248]
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yeah, but how can you use that in court?
it would just be her word against his, there is absolutely no proof that she said stop. A woman could have sex with a man, and then just say she said no. They would know they had sex, because you can check a woman, but there would be nothing that could prove if she asked him to stop.
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2003-07-30 09:41 [#00800249]
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once you pop, you can't stop!
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:43 [#00800256]
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When i get to the vinegar strokes, wild horse couldn't drag me off the bitch.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:44 [#00800262]
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they say that most rapes committed on college campuses result in the woman having consentual sex with the man that, by the definition provided by the college and sometimes to local/state/federal law, raped her.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:45 [#00800264]
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Once you stop [listen to mainstream music] can't [listen to] pop.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:45 [#00800265]
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you mean they were sexual partners before, and then he raped her, or that the rape claims are actually just lies, and they just had consentual sex?
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:46 [#00800266]
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if you have sex and the woman doesn't like it that much, is that rape? I'm just a bit worried that i might have raped some women in the past and not known.
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:47 [#00800269]
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no, sexual partners AFTERwards. the new definition of rape at some colleges is as loose as any woman having sex while drunk was raped (not sure if this applies to first timers only). but even by laxer definitions the same statistic applies. it just shows how pathetic some colleges are getting after a few overblown incidents.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:48 [#00800271]
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hahaha
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:49 [#00800274]
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damn... thats wierd...
and fucked up
and the majority of sex that happens in college is under the influence...
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:50 [#00800279]
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i know, hence the student outrage.. if it weren't for booze a lot of college kids wouldn't ever get any action
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-30 09:51 [#00800281]
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haha... sad but true I guess ;)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:51 [#00800282]
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its a crazy world we live in
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:54 [#00800288]
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I've never raped anyone. But i've been present when one was taking place. It wasn't nice.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:54 [#00800289]
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LOL@Bill. Maybe there should be a "2 minute finishing up time" rule that you can use before you have to stop?
Yep, this is a touchy one... similair thing here... bit of a non-enforcable law though. What if your partner is into moaning "stop" (without actually wanting you to stop at all) during the proceedings? What about with a couple where one or more involved are a deaf and/or dumb person? It's hard enough to prove "normal" rape, let alone when sex is intially consenting and changes half way through...
Even bruising or scratches on either party are not "proof" of resistance- they could be from (consenting) rough sex.
As with most of our hideously outdated rape laws, I imagine this new one won't work if a man shouts stop... It's still not recognised that women can commit rape here, there is some other name for it and the term is a lot shorter.
Moral of the story- don't have sex with psychopaths, people (ie, people who are likely to shout "stop" just to fuck you around or by a similair token, those who are likely to carry on when you're clearly in pain and quite definately want them to stop).
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xf
from Australia on 2003-07-30 09:54 [#00800292]
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....they cant say no if their mouth is gagged
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800294]
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erm, laughing at his first post, not the second one... (I really should use the follow up button)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800295]
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really? did you try and help her, and stop the guy?
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800298]
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huh. that's madness.
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Spacecadet
on 2003-07-30 09:56 [#00800299]
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dead girls don't say no to anyone
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 09:57 [#00800300]
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Damn thread title built my hopes up, I thought they made it legal
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 09:57 [#00800301]
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I couldn't. there was too many of them. And they were my friends. But to show my protest, I tried not to look.
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800302]
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"Maybe there should be a "2 minute finishing up time" rule that you can use before you have to stop?"
lol
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800303]
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thats fucked up man....
did the girl ever go to the police?
its got to feel so dirty to be raped... so degrading
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800304]
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What a gent!
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-07-30 09:58 [#00800305]
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what if a bloke says stop?
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xf
from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:00 [#00800308]
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you know exactly where i'm coming from!
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 10:00 [#00800309]
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She was going to go to the police, but she ended up killing herself before she had the courage to go. I still feel sort of guilty today.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:00 [#00800310]
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there was a rape case in italy that got all these attention, because a court ruled that since the girl was wearing jean pants, she couldnt have been raped.
they said it would be too hard for a guy to pull her pants off, so she had to have taken them off consentually.
which is BS, what if the guy just like, beats her, until she takes them off?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:01 [#00800311]
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jesus dude
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xf
from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800315]
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jokes aside; holy shit, that's fucking awful :(
you still friends with these people?
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800316]
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arre you serrious
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corrupted-girl
on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800317]
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That is such bullshit.
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800318]
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So they didn't egg you on to have a go? I thought you'd be up for blowing your muck right up her rectum
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 10:02 [#00800319]
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she was my little sister.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:04 [#00800322]
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dude, are you just fucking with us?
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-07-30 10:04 [#00800323]
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yes man
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xf
from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:04 [#00800324]
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?
are you joking about all this?
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:05 [#00800325]
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its really not funny
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xf
from Australia on 2003-07-30 10:05 [#00800327]
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oh well, back to having sex with dead girls
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-07-30 10:05 [#00800328]
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s u c k e r r s
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Jarworski
from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-30 10:06 [#00800330]
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Let's face it, we all like a little resistence. If she's totally game for it and whaps her cunt out at the drop of a hat then it's no fun.
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bill_hicks
from my city is amazing it is calle on 2003-07-30 10:06 [#00800332]
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Some people are rather gullible.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-07-30 10:07 [#00800333]
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youre an asshole man
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