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offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-07-29 08:19 [#00798235]
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i need to see this movie soooooooo bad

http://movies.go.com/movies/S/seabiscuit_2003/index.html

i like you horsie


 

offline afxNUMB from So.Flo on 2003-07-29 08:22 [#00798242]
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There has to be something else you might want to see so bad.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2003-07-29 08:22 [#00798243]
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I hate toby maguire!


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2003-07-29 08:40 [#00798301]
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Oh, I thought this might be similar to an airbiscuit.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-29 08:42 [#00798312]
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This is one more the more interesting reviewers at IMDB -
he's reviewed an awful lot of movies and has a very unusual
viewpoint on movies. I've read a lot of his stuff and while
I don't always agree with him he usually interests me
somehow. Here's what he thought:

Spoilers herein.

Post 9-11 effects are nowhere as profound as in the wave of
movies just hitting the theaters. This week, I have seen two
films whose foundations are the upswelling of national
identity since the attacks. But they are quite different.
The first was "Red, White and Blond" which is lightweight,
celebrates the simple platitude as truth, and has that
respect for the stupid but well-meaning that characterizes
Republican strategy. Enormously endearing, and I cried at
all the patriotic parts.

And then there's this. Strong metaphors for a broken country
given a second chance. A morality tale about the little guy
against moneyed interests, about healing, about real
compassion. In this case, the metaphor is made plain:
history's popularizer David McCullough does a faux "Ken
Burns" documentary within which we peer into this story of
America revitalization from the destruction of greed. This
is the other side of the patriotic coin, and we all cried at
the patriotic parts here too.

Both of these are extremely well engineered, almost
overengineered. In this one we have one of the simplest
devices in the book, the rule of twos:

We have two men in whose hands this healing is wrought. The
heart of the project is the heart of these two characters.
They sought out two of the three male actors capable of a
certain technique for this: the ability to anticipate the
next scene. Acting is not the challenge of creating a
character at all, it is the challenge of doing things that
induce you as the viewer to create a character. That means
that the actor has to create and maintain a channel between
himself and the viewer; there are different styles,
techniques and philosophies to do this. One -- rare but
effective -- technique is to anticip


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-29 08:43 [#00798313]
Points: 10836 Status: Lurker



anticipate the future; it is what Chris and Jeff know how to
do.

In this game, they each create two persons, the character
who lives in the now of the story and the actor who knows
that something is coming -- that it will all turn out all
right if only the being of the actor can get past the flaws
in the being of the character. The expose both of these
beings to us and we watch them both. When we see Jeffs face
in closeup -- and he literally tells us its all about the
future -- we see half of him really does live in the future.
These are superb actors, chosen because they each bring this
linkage to the next scene. Cinematic storytelling, folks.
Which, it must be said, has something to do with the
strategy of racing that is described in redundant detail:
let him see the partner so that he can race ahead.

Pairs throughout: we have the pair of the damaged: horse and
rider, both as metaphor for the nation. This is so heavily
and obviously pounded in, that it threatens the movie and
only by repeated tests did they fine tune it: pushed only
precisely so far and no further. "Bagger Vance" is an
example of one that went over the line. Robert Redford.

The viewers have to be represented: here we have a pair of
designated viewers -- standing in for us of course. The wife
and the radio announcer. The wife duly soaks in the sweet
platitudes and the radio guy (in addition to providing comic
relief) provides an equally heavy metaphor for our own
voyeurism. These bookends define the space for us to feel
comfortable in. This announcer bit is also an example of
repeated audience testing. It derives from the
reporter-voyeur of the screwball comedy era, filtered
through dozens of comedic versions in mostly baseball movies
-- but with defining bumps in "Best in Show" and "Major
League." Again it was pushed precisely as far as audiences
could take before they had a reaction. An example of too far
is Jennifer Leigh's reporter in "Hudsucker.

Pairs: the pair of patriotic approaches, the pair for us as
Americans, the p


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-29 08:43 [#00798318]
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Pairs: the pair of patriotic approaches, the pair for us as
Americans, the pair for us as patient husbanders of the good
(each as the actor/character pair), the pair for us as
moviegoers. Its called bracketing and is engineered
cinematic storytelling at its finest.

Ted's Evaluation -- 3 of 4: Worth watching.



 


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