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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 18:52 [#00786751] Points: 9325 Status: Regular
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 | they are called "talented" and "untalented"... I think they are great, several drummers; and the singer has a great
 voice.
 I mean e.g. inflames (of Sweden) has more melodic tracks,
 but Slipknot has a very nice feeling to their tracks...
 hope they go even more fast/aggressive in the future!
 
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         |  Anus_Presley
             on 2003-07-19 18:54 [#00786758] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker
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 | they can all carrrry on pissing on each otherrs faces on stage as farr as i carre. i hope they catch something,
 something parrents carre about, unlike disturrbing lyrrics,
 then i might not see slipknot jackets ages 9 to 12 anymorre,
 and won't have to pay forr theirr ashes afterr i have
 burrned them in the shop.
 
 
 
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         |  Skink
             from A cesspool in eden on 2003-07-19 18:54 [#00786759] Points: 7483 Status: Lurker
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 | I really don't like them, There are a couple of people in the band who are talented but imo it's all a charade and i
 don't think they'll release another album because the hype
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 18:56 [#00786762] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | I think their 'people = shit' slogan is kinda ignorant. It plays into the hands of corporate fucks, by having these
 slipknot fans going around wearing this slogan, when they
 should be loving people - it's the only way to unite against
 the soulless world of Western Capitalism. By segregating
 themselves into anti-social cliques, they're helping to
 weaken the unity. United, the people won't allow the power
 of the Corporate Pimps to be wielded over them  !
 
 LOVE IS THE LAW
 
 
 
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         |  xceque
             on 2003-07-19 18:56 [#00786764] Points: 5888 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Untalented. I heard two Slipknot track once and once was enough. Not that anyone cares what I think.
 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2003-07-19 18:57 [#00786765] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker
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 | I like the way they denounce the neo-totalitarism that caracterize our society.
 
 
 
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 18:59 [#00786775] Points: 9325 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #00786762
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 | yes dude. love is the law (it's the biggest and strongest of all feelings).
 but that's not the point.
 people = shit is a nice track... kinda slow though.
 if you like gabber and any kind of metal you know what I
 mean, no reason to take their lyrics for real.
 it's just fun and being ignorant for the moment.
 not that I consider myself to be a fan of them - I just like
 some of their tracks.
 I like different types of metal.
 
 
 
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         |  Skink
             from A cesspool in eden on 2003-07-19 19:00 [#00786777] Points: 7483 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #00786762
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 | I agree with that statement! 
 It's true because when i walk down the street all i feel is
 a deep sense of forboding and isolation, why does it have to
 be like that, I think because of people like that and the
 media exploiting it.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:03 [#00786780] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to Key_Secret: #00786775
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 | I'm just talking about that slogan, which I've seen written on their CD cases, and on their T-shirts.
 
 I like Gabba and certain intense metal - I've heard their
 CDs (my little brother has them) - they are OK - nothing
 stunning - they came to the limelight for their gimmicky
 act, not for their music - so, nothing new there, then.
 
 Personally, I find them as intimidating as a soggy
 marshmallow.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:03 [#00786781] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | Oh, I read their lyrics, too -- pretty dire. 
 
 
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         |  billabongbill
             from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-07-19 19:03 [#00786782] Points: 151 Status: Regular
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 | I kinda like their tunes. They're definately the best out of that whole "Nu Metal" scene. They're image and ethics kinda
 ruin them tho. It's very easy to pick holes in their
 arguments. They rock tho and that is always what is most
 important :)
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:05 [#00786788] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to billabongbill: #00786782
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 | I think the music of Dillinger Escape Plan is superior ! I would say DEP are the best of the bunch, but I still have to
 further ravage Jarworski's music collexion to hear more - he
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 19:06 [#00786791] Points: 9325 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #00786781
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 | well I haven't tried to analyze their lyrics... hehe... I just like some of their tracks... some are even really
 melodic ones like "wait and bleed" and "left behind"...
 thoose tracks are great.
 yeah I like gabber to... anything from dutch mainstyle to
 terror... just bring it on as long as it's good (there is of
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         |  Skink
             from A cesspool in eden on 2003-07-19 19:07 [#00786793] Points: 7483 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #00786781
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 | I've actually petty much given up on music with lyrics because everythings become so trite, feelings don't seem to
 matter to anyone anymore most people seem willing to be told
 how to feel these day's, it's sad really.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:11 [#00786803] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to Skink: #00786793
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 | that is quite true - when I listen to early Cohen, Doors, Donovan, Lennon et al, and then listen to a lot of modern
 stuff - even the supposedly less-mainstream music has really
 crap lyrical content - just words put together for the
 melody, unfortunately - thank god this isn't pandemic - some
 bands/artists still maintain good lyrics, and without
 sounding like pretentious wankers !
 
 
 
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         |  Skink
             from A cesspool in eden on 2003-07-19 19:15 [#00786812] Points: 7483 Status: Lurker | Followup to marlowe: #00786803
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 | Do you have any recommendations? 
 Mind you i've always had more of attachment to music not
 words like certain sounds bring back more than words do but
 cohen writes fucking good poems they are seriously deep.
 
 
 
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         |  billabongbill
             from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-07-19 19:18 [#00786822] Points: 151 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #00786788
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 | Weren't Dilliger Escape Plan a punk band from a few years back???? Haven't heard them but i recognise the name. They
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:19 [#00786824] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to Skink: #00786812
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 | For Metal, ask Yavo. 
 For lyrics, the ones I mentioned were the first to spring to
 mind, so I guess I consider those of the best lyricism in
 music.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:19 [#00786826] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to billabongbill: #00786822
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 | Are you thinking of Dillinger Four? 
 
 
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         |  billabongbill
             from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-07-19 19:23 [#00786833] Points: 151 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #00786826
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 | nope. Never heard of them. Just saw yr other thread on them. I'll go and check that out
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:25 [#00786838] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to billabongbill: #00786833
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 | I'm sure I read that DEP formed from an earlier group - almost certainly they did - whether it was a punk outfit or
 not - I'm not so sure - check their allmusic.com page - that
 should contain info on this.
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2003-07-19 19:27 [#00786843] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | shock tactics obviously, but clearly they do have talent, but cease to use it...
 
 "left behind" shows a coherence they lack in most of not all
 of their other work, tis a shame really.
 
 prefer fear factory.
 
 
 
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         |  billabongbill
             from Dublin (Ireland) on 2003-07-19 19:29 [#00786844] Points: 151 Status: Regular
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 | wow, just read that other thread. They sound pretty interesting alright. I could be wrong about them being an
 old punk band so don't stress out too much :) I'll keep an
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 19:33 [#00786857] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to billabongbill: #00786844
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 | definately download their stuff ! You'll love it ! :) 
 
 
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         |  BlatantEcho
             from All over (United States) on 2003-07-19 20:35 [#00787004] Points: 7210 Status: Lurker
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 | so I downloaded "Left Behind" per earthleakage. 
 I could definetly rock this in a pit, if people didn't bash
 my head in, but this is defintely not something I can listen
 to more than once.
 
 
 
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 20:36 [#00787007] Points: 9325 Status: Regular | Followup to BlatantEcho: #00787004
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 | I do really dig that track... I do like metal, but my fav rockband is of course Placebo -
 although they do the softer type of rock.
 Of course I also like previous bands like the pixies and
 smashing pumpkins.
 
 
 
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         |  Amnesiac
             from ERIE (United States) on 2003-07-19 20:39 [#00787010] Points: 2084 Status: Lurker
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 | there is so much other better metal to be into, leave slipknot for the fat middle school kids.
 
 
 
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 20:45 [#00787016] Points: 9325 Status: Regular | Followup to Amnesiac: #00787010
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 | well give some examples then... I reckon them to be one of the best nu-metal bands...
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 20:46 [#00787017] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | are they really nu-metal? 
 
 
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 20:47 [#00787018] Points: 9325 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #00787017
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 | well what kind of metal are they else? 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 20:49 [#00787019] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to Key_Secret: #00787018
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 | just metal? may be thrash metal? or complex metal? 
 
 
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         |  Junktion
             from Northern Jutland (Denmark) on 2003-07-19 20:53 [#00787022] Points: 9713 Status: Lurker
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 | Yes!!!! Slipknot rawks! go check "eyeless" ...it has a killer D'n'b-sample ....
 
 also "get this" and "eyore" (sp?)
 
 
 
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 20:54 [#00787023] Points: 9325 Status: Regular | Followup to marlowe: #00787019
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 | well... I do believe they are nu-metal... 
 
 
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         |  Key_Secret
             from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-07-19 20:55 [#00787024] Points: 9325 Status: Regular | Followup to Junktion: #00787022
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 | heya! back in Denmark!!?? so what's going on in your place in Sveg? I heard Sveg had
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-07-19 20:55 [#00787025] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker | Followup to Key_Secret: #00787023
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 | oh well - it's just another label for me to forget ! 
 
 
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         |  Smyrma
             from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2003-07-19 22:14 [#00787050] Points: 2478 Status: Lurker
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 | I used to like Slipknot back when I was 13 or 14 but then I realized that there is much better metal than them and they
 really aren't very good (imo).
 
 Great metal albums (for people who would like to know):
 Slayer "Reign In Blood" (thrash)
 Metallica "Master of Puppets" (thrash)
 Immolation "Here In After" (death metal)
 Repulsion "Horrified" (grindcore)
 Terrorizer "World Downfall" (grindcore)
 Mastodon "Remission" (modern heavy death metal with hardcore
 influences)
 Carcass "Heartwork" (melodic death metal)
 
 ...I think I'll stop there.
 
 
 
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         |  Jarworski
             from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-20 05:19 [#00787127] Points: 10836 Status: Lurker
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 | First time I heard of Slipknot was a feature in Kerrang! with a pic of them all dressed up and some info about them
 (they were recording their self titled at the time)... I was
 like, oh fucking spare me look at this shite. Mr Bungle
 copyists, all about the marketing. Then I heard a rough demo
 of 'Eyeless' and I was like "fuuuuuck!". It's not always a
 band's fault when they suddenly become massive and have
 thousands of little kids wearing their t-shirts, but it sure
 as fuck puts you off them and in this case I think Slipknot
 took any integrity they might have garnered by blowing bands
 off the stage at Ozzfest and sold it down the river with
 their customised lunchboxes.
 
 And 'Iowa' was fucking dreadful.
 
 
 
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         |  WeaklingChild
             from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-20 06:54 [#00787162] Points: 3354 Status: Lurker
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 | i agree with marlowes statement regarding the slogan. it is kind of ignorant in my opinion, anyway.
 
 
 
 
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         |  Amnesiac
             from ERIE (United States) on 2003-07-20 12:19 [#00787438] Points: 2084 Status: Lurker
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 | "best nu-metal band" the biggest oxymoron i've ever heard. 
 
 
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         |  Amnesiac
             from ERIE (United States) on 2003-07-20 12:25 [#00787442] Points: 2084 Status: Lurker
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 | oh yeah examples of better metal/hardcore/grindcore bands for Key_Secret's viewing pleasure:
 
 - Deicide
 - Pig Destroyer
 - Vader
 - Converge
 - Napalm Death
 - Internal Bleeding
 - Kalibas
 - Eighteen Visions
 - Dead to Fall
 
 and this list goes on and on and on, never including
 slipknot.
 
 
 
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         |  WeaklingChild
             from Glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-20 14:24 [#00787491] Points: 3354 Status: Lurker
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 | what about messhuggah? i heard they were good. someone said they were norwegian
 
 
 
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         |  roygbivcore
             from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-20 14:32 [#00787499] Points: 22557 Status: Lurker
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 | FUCK THAT SHIT 
 
 
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         |  morguean
             from Calgary (Canada) on 2003-07-20 15:17 [#00787521] Points: 1328 Status: Regular
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 | messhuggah is a joke 
 just kidding they are okay
 
 actually i don't even know
 
 BUT ON THE TOPIC OF SLIPKNOT'S LYRICS AND HOW THEY SUCK
 
 LOOK AT THE ONES FOR THE TRACK 'prosthetics' haha it's
 disturbing it's about how he loves someone so much he wants
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         |  Amnesiac
             from ERIE (United States) on 2003-07-20 15:47 [#00787541] Points: 2084 Status: Lurker
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 | wow this shit is deeeeeeeeep: 
 Running out of ways to run
 I can't see, I can't be
 Over and over and under my skin
 All this attention is DOING ME IN!
 
 FUCK IT ALL! FUCK THIS WORLD!
 FUCK EVERYTHING THAT YOU STAND FOR!
 DON'T BELONG! DON'T EXIST!
 DON'T GIVE ME A SHIT!
 DON'T EVER JUDGE ME!
 
 Picking through the parts exposed
 Taking shape, taking shag
 Over and over and under my skin
 All this momentum is DOING ME IN!
 
 FUCK IT ALL! FUCK THIS WORLD!
 FUCK EVERYTHING THAT YOU STAND FOR!
 DON'T BELONG! DON'T EXIST!
 DON'T GIVE A SHIT!
 DON'T EVER JUDGE ME!
 
 You got all my love, livin' in your own hate
 Drippin' hole man, hard step, no fate
 Show you nuthin', but I ain't holdin' back
 Every damn word I say is a sneak attack
 When I get my hands on you
 Ain't a fuck thing you can do
 Get this cuz you're never gonna get me
 I am the very disease you pretend to be
 
 I am the push that makes you move
 
 
 
 
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         |  Anus_Presley
             on 2003-07-20 15:51 [#00787543] Points: 23472 Status: Lurker
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 | deep 
 
 
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         |  roygbivcore
             from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-20 15:52 [#00787545] Points: 22557 Status: Lurker
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 | SLIPNOT EQUAL SHIT 
 
 
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         |  Polynomial-C
             from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-20 15:55 [#00787547] Points: 1362 Status: Regular
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 | I really like their music. However, I don't give a fuck about their style/image and lyrics and I would never
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         |  roygbivcore
             from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-20 15:56 [#00787548] Points: 22557 Status: Lurker
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 | i'm sorry, i should've said 
 SLIPNOT!
 EQUAL!
 SHIT!
 
 
 
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         |  Polynomial-C
             from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-20 15:57 [#00787549] Points: 1362 Status: Regular
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 | And by the way, who gives a fuck that 15 year old kids listen to them.
 
 I LISTEN WHAT I LIKE, NOT MUSIC THAT IS
 NON-COMMERCIAL.
 
 
 
 
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         |  Polynomial-C
             from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-20 15:58 [#00787550] Points: 1362 Status: Regular
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 | Saw some kid yesterday with a Snotlip shirt. I don't know if this is an official Slipknot shirt or just for
 showing everyone you really hate the band...
 
 
 
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