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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:06 [#00742820]
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anybody used reaktor?
im probably gonna get it... I am now running Logic 6... so thats my sequencer/editer
and for sounds, ill use reaktor for synths and sampling
anyone get any insights? thanks :)
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-06-16 08:07 [#00742822]
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macosx right? is 3 even macosx compatible? i'd say 4 ...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:09 [#00742827]
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osx yes...
i am getting 4... but i was just asking if anyone had any experiance with reaktor... 4 OR 3.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-06-16 08:11 [#00742829]
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oh .. i've played around with the demo of 3 .. but that's about it. seems like a f[[kin fine as piece of software.
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korben dallas
from nz on 2003-06-16 08:12 [#00742834]
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Reaktor was awarded by Future Music to be the best VST instrument: "There is one VSTi that stands out: Reaktor. It's the king" taken from NI site
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:14 [#00742836]
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yes... alls i hear is praise...
it almost seems too good to be true...
id be curious to find out if people had any complaints...
system use? if its going to be running all of my suff (multiple synths and samplers) can my system handle it? 1 ghz, 1 gig RAM
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:19 [#00742847]
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wheres that Ceri JC...
he always has good software info...
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2003-06-16 08:21 [#00742851]
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"system use? if its going to be running all of my stuff"
It uses a lot of CPU. I don't think it can run everything at once in realtime but that can be solved by rendering to audiotracks...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:23 [#00742853]
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true true...
also the new freeze function in logic should work
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 08:24 [#00742856]
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A friend of mine has Reaktor 4 which runs happily enough on his P4 with 1 gig RAM. I have only had limited experience with it, but to call it powerful is a total understatement. There is literally nothing that you can do with it.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 08:25 [#00742857]
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The CPU use never gets about 60% on my mates computer.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:29 [#00742860]
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see the "I'm Screwed :/" thread- I'm frantically finishing a report for tommorow!
Quick, slightly less in depth than normal comments:
I've used Reaktor 3 a fair bit, almost exclusively using the existing ensembles as softsynths in my own tracks, albeit with customised patches. I have found it very hard to make a good synth from scratch in it- I can make your normal 2 oscillator thing that just sounds like every other freeware softsynth, but that to me is pointless. I won't spend hours on something "custom" if the end result is something that I could DL in 5 minutes- my time could be better spent on tracks (or reports!). On a more serious note, I imagine if you got good enough at it and were prepared to invest the time to learn it properly you would have one of the most "controllable" sound pallettes available outside of Kyma and CSound.
I've heard reaktor 4 is a lot better for making your own synths due to the way it uses the "component" parts to put synths together. Not having used 4, I can't really comment on this aspect, but if it's as good as people make out I'll be interested in going back to it.
As an aside, the main reason I haven't been bothered to delve deeper into making custom synths with it is that I do all my modular synth stuff in Vaz (don't think it's available for mac though...)
Now, back to the report :)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:29 [#00742861]
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literally nothing you "CANT" do with it?
;)
but thanks for that info! Does he run it solo or with a sequencer?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 08:32 [#00742864]
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Depends on what we are doing. If we are just generating loops then we run it solo, but for the synths and effects we sequence it through Cubase.
We have the occasional stability problem where all of a sudden it will generate an error and shut down, but that is only ever when building a synth or ensamble and never when using it for the generation of the track. (I hope that made sense :P)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:33 [#00742865]
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I like customizing my stuff... and I have a good understanding of synthesis. I think ill even be using reaktor in my advanced programmable synthesis class...
But speaking of csound... im learning that right now too. It sounds amazing... but damn.... its a different way of thinking... ALL #s! I dont know how to run it through logic yet... but apprently you can. But im no where near good enough with it to use it solely.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 08:33 [#00742867]
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I haven't started using it by myself yet because I am finding the wrench away from Reason to much to bare :D but I definitely plan on switching as soon as possible.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:34 [#00742868]
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yeah, I got ya. Its cause you patch it in a wierd way, that isnt supposed to be done... so it crashes?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 08:36 [#00742869]
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it can also be a burst to the processor, like when we changed 4 granulators together with a rythmn generator. It worked when we first started it but as soon as we began changing the connections between the modules we ran into trouble. Had we have stopped the audio and done the changes it would probably have been fine :)
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 08:36 [#00742870]
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heheh
im done with reason. its all over now!
im so happy. I was getting really pissed with it. I kept finding all these limitations...
i mean, dont get me wrong... there is ALOT you can do with it... and its easy to use, and cheap.... but when it comes down to it... there is much better sounding/flexible stuff out there.. and im ready for it!
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 10:19 [#00743009]
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so heres a question...
I have toyed with Abvsynth, and thought it rocked... but with reaktor i wouldnt need it right?
in fact... doesnt buying reaktor kind of make buying any of NI's other products... silly?
Cant reaktor do everything all the other stuff can do?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 10:24 [#00743019]
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Theoretically yes, but it is not always as easy to do...while you can basically produce any sound you want with Reaktor the graphical interface is still not a refined as what you would get in Absynth, also Reaktor would be more resource intensive than say Absynth as it hasn't been optimised for that one particular task.
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blrr
from the block on 2003-06-16 10:26 [#00743021]
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Reaktor is lush. I have 3 and 4 on my comp at the moment. My friend and I use it for doing lots of CPU intensive granular stuff. It sounds brilliant. I run Cubase SX with Reason plugged in through rewire and then
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 10:26 [#00743024]
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please, continue....
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blrr
from the block on 2003-06-16 10:27 [#00743026]
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2 VSTis (reaktor 3 + 4) generally running homemade granular stuff.... my comp juist a bout amanges that but its not often that I use the full set up. Certainly as a vsti it is fine on its own (i have 2.5ghz 384mb). Reaktor is about as close as you'll get to a Nord without buying one.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 10:27 [#00743027]
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true...
true true...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-16 10:28 [#00743028]
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id say its better then a nord
more flexible
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joakimlinden
from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-06-16 10:28 [#00743029]
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I think Reaktor is a complete hazzle to work with... More than one synth and the view gets totally crowded. More than three synths and you'll have to start worrying about CPU power. Version 4 adresses some of those issues though.
I like it for experimenting with - building stuff from scratch and then feel a little proud that I've pulled it off...but nothing more really. But on the other hand, I can imagine that if you don't see those things as a problem you'll probably be a very happy user.
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blrr
from the block on 2003-06-16 10:29 [#00743030]
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I always feel that absynth sounds a bit _too_ nice.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 10:31 [#00743036]
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I agree that the interface can get very cluttered. But I find 4 to be a lot better than 3 (although I literally only spent about 2 days messing about with 3)
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blrr
from the block on 2003-06-16 10:33 [#00743037]
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i think Absynth can sound too nice. Same thing I find with reason. anything you make solely with Reason comes out sounding as though you did. I only use redrum now... cos the synths in Reaktor are much better and the sequencer in Cubase is too.
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blrr
from the block on 2003-06-16 10:33 [#00743039]
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sorry - i repeated myself... eurgh
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-06-16 10:36 [#00743042]
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Maybe in Reason 1 that was the case but I don't think it is any more.
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blrr
from the block on 2003-06-16 10:37 [#00743045]
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yeah maybe its just me. my friend says i'm a bit harsh on it but I just think its good for Trance and thats about it.
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