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(httt) i thaught i had a good idea
 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-14 22:01 [#00740928]
Points: 1562 Status: Regular



and i posted it on the radiohead messageboard and got no
response, so maybe its a bad idea but i dont know about all
them anyways...but ill copy it here, if anyone thinks people
would benifit from it let me know
----
to put on their minidiscs and things.....
well im in canada and i got a protected copy but
i managed to get through that and was able to get it onto a
md, i dont know whats is with the protection, i mean it
doesnt really do anything at all, every ripper i tried would
rip it but at 9 seconds (at sector 702) in 3 songs there was
a glitch . but then i tried it on an older cd drive i had
and it rips fine...anyways its still stupid.....and
cd-rs are very cheap, and sending them as a normal letter is
very cheap too, i sent a cd to europe a while ago and it was
less then a dollar, although it took a long time. what about
if people get together, and send copies of clean versions of
the disc out to people who allready own it, but want a clean
copy too, although i wouldnt really mind sending people the
cd if they havnt allready bought it...thats not the point
here. anyways so you sign up to the list to get a copy sent
to you and then you get it, copy it, if you can , and send
it on to someone else on the list, and it could be organized
and everything so that you send your copy to people that are
geographically close to you, so its like a big network of
copy protection free hail to the thief cds flowing across
the world....if you wished you could send out two copies, or
make two copies and send them to the person, and then they
give one of the copies to a friend who also has a protected
copy and then they send it on aswell...and when you sign up
you have promise you allready own it and that you dont just
want a free cd. if anyone is interest, reply , or contact
me.
alibosworth@gmx.co.uk


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-06-14 22:09 [#00740933]
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ok i don't know what the hell is going on so fuck this


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-14 22:25 [#00740938]
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oh.....just a thaught i had about the new radiohead album.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 04:35 [#00741074]
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you copy - send to me - i copy - send to john doh - john doh
copys - sends to mr X - mr X copies - sends to ect ect...

it would neverr worrk in prractice.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-15 04:44 [#00741080]
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why not? i mean ...well i understand that if people are lazy
and dont want to contribute.....but if people were into
it...
its sort of a simpler version of this
http://1000journals.com/



 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-15 04:46 [#00741083]
Points: 4731 Status: Lurker



why dont we just pass a law that wipes out ugly people and
hails naked sexy ladies. Thats more interesting


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 04:48 [#00741086]
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that's the prroblem though. in theorry fine, but in rreal
life people arre just lazy.


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-15 04:53 [#00741094]
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im not lazy, i ... fuck it i cant be bothered to tell you


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-15 04:54 [#00741095]
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yeah well ....i guess i just have too much faith in
people.....who like radiohead.
but would you pass it on?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 04:58 [#00741102]
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no. but mine worrks fine.

i'm not trrying to rrubbish yourr idea herre, just telling
you the trruth.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-15 05:04 [#00741109]
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i guess i mean if yours didnt work fine.
does yours work fine + is clean.
or your devices just dont worry about the protection,
ive found it really depends on the drive....some are not
affected at all...


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 05:06 [#00741113]
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well my computerr is brroke so i don't know if it will play
herre. but its worrks on my CD playerr and to me that is all
that matterrs. but maybe if you got enough people who had a
fucked up one, then it might worrk.



 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-15 05:08 [#00741115]
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well if you send me a copy... then i'll ...erm..... oh yeah,
thank you for the cd.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 05:08 [#00741116]
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i'm also one of them "scarred to give my addrress out"
people


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-15 05:10 [#00741120]
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well yeah...really its just the fact that its not very
reliable in terms of playback...like it works on some, id
say most audio only cd players i have.....doesnt work on
most of my cd drives....which means i cant very easily make
a digital copy to minidisc. ...and you know i wouldnt feel
very good about lending the cd to a friend (if i did such
things) knowing it may or may not play properly for
them....its just not very nice....but ive made a clean copy
now so everything is fine for me....i was just thinking
about it on a larger scale


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 05:14 [#00741126]
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totally. it's a nice idea. and quite a good one.


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-15 05:58 [#00741179]
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how strange that people on the radiohead messageboard didn't
reply to your idea of ripping and copying the new radiohead
cd and sending it to others so they won't have to buy the
original cd

i mean, don't they want to save some money?


 

offline tibbar from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-06-15 06:00 [#00741183]
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hahahahahahahah a GOOD idea???????? um, ok. wait until thom
yorke shows up in your bedroom dressed as a voodoo
priestess. THEN youll think its a good idea.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-15 06:21 [#00741198]
Points: 3787 Status: Regular



Okay, i see what you mean. My discman does have
problems playing HTTT. (according to the manual, it has all
the symptons of trying to listen to a CD-R that isn't burnt
properly... it must be the protection methinks)... it pisses
me off. Copy-protection is fine, but this is just
ridiculous. The reason i buy cd's is to listen to them,
after all.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 06:24 [#00741200]
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Reuters Arrticle:

"NEW YORK (Reuters) — As major record labels roll out a
new breed of compact disc designed to prevent Napster-style
piracy, Dutch consumer electronics maker Philips, CO-creator
of the compact disc, is refusing to play along. The new
discs now making their way into music stores in the United
States and Europe contain countermeasures that prevent
playback on computers and, in some unintended cases, normal
CD players as well. "What we've seen so far is troublesome
and cumbersome," said Gerry Wirtz, general manager of the
Philips copyright office that governs the compact disc
trademark. "We worry (the labels) don't know what they're
doing."


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-15 06:39 [#00741211]
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morton: if you had read (and understood) my poorly worded
post, you would know that the intent is to provide people
who have allready spent money on the album, with a clean
version free of defects......my intent was to provide REAL
cd version of the album to those who have corrupt and
purchased versions....as you probably know, these copy
protected version do not actually comply with the compact
disc standard, they are not technically cds....and such they
dont have the little compact disc logo anywhere on them that
all true cds must have.....infact theres a bit of a thing
because on the copy protected version of limited edition in
australia or something it does infact have the words
'compact disc'..i guess the same artwork was sent to all
manufacturers, copy protection version or not, and someone
forgot to take off those words.
i do realize that it would be fairly easy for someone to say
that they own a protected version just to get someone to
send them a cd....but anyone that cares enough to want a
real cd copy rather then spend a little bandwidth to
download mp3s, which is alot easier and faster then waiting
around for a cd, and who doesnt just goto the store and buy
a copy....umm...thats not written how i mean it..but...well
you know....it would be pretty strange


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-15 06:46 [#00741213]
Points: 10000 Status: Addict | Followup to denniscpearce: #00741211



i get it, i didn't read your initial post very well indeed
:D
and congrats you have 100 points :)


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-15 06:47 [#00741214]
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Go philips!


 

offline uzim on 2003-06-15 06:58 [#00741220]
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i almost wanted to buy HTTT after downloading it, but when i
saw it was copy-protected i changed my mind... fuck this
(i'm glad they're warning us when they're copy-protected!) i
don't want to buy something which has voluntary bugs
in it!!! (especially since i don't have a good cd-player,
they're all fucked - i have 3 cds i had to convert in mp3
since my new player doesn't play them right anymore) that's
crazy °_°
i hope this copy-protecting decreases the sales, so they
won't put it on every cd... hope in some years it won't be
ALL cd's that will be copy-protected. then we'll be fucked
(though i think it'll probably happen, oh well... let's
profit from our last years of freedom until music gets
totally fucked raaahhhh no future 1984 is near) -_-


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-15 07:06 [#00741227]
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i just hope they fall off a cliff


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-15 07:06 [#00741228]
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Only one person needs to find a way around the
copy-protection, and it'll be shared over the internet
anyway.

And meanwhile the people who are being hurt by the
copy-protection are the ones who actually still go out and
buy the cd :-/

I'm against piracy, and i'm all for recordcompanies trying
to do something against it... but this is not the right way.
It seems like they are just experimenting with various
copyprotections... all at our expenses! They should properly
test it before even releasing it on the market. As soon as
they find a system that allows for a cd to be played
everywhere, but that doesn't allow itself to be
copied... only then should they start using it.


 

offline uzim on 2003-06-15 07:08 [#00741230]
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majors are dumb.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-15 12:03 [#00741597]
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their idea is stupid.....i dont think a protection exists
that "allows for a cd to be played everywhere, but that
doesn't allow itself to be copied." basically its like
people trying to hide their html code from the
viewer......theres lots of ways to distract them , to make
it seem as if they dont have access to the data, but the
fact remains, if your browser is able to display the
page....then it has been downloaded to your computer and
there is someway to access it. i really dont believe the
industry will find any good way that fits in with the
current system of cds. all the technics have been really
pretty silly....and the ones that are most effective are the
ones that do not actually work (ie you CAN NOT play them on
any normal cd player) the fact remains that your cd player
expects a certain format of relativly raw digital data to be
sitting there nice and plain on the cd.....if that data
exists properly, it can easily be extracted, if it is not
there properly, like is the current case.....then not
everything can play it....like is the current case, which is
bullshit, and unnacceptable....i mean the record companies
are just sort of flailing and fronting to seem like they got
it all under control.....


 

offline uzim on 2003-06-15 12:09 [#00741601]
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it's just making it worse.


 

offline Q4Z2X on 2003-06-15 12:14 [#00741604]
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i don't see why they should have the right to be able to
limit you from copying or ripping the cd?
it's fair use to backup the music in case the cd gets
wrecked..after all, you should be paying for the music, and
the rights to own it whenever, and keep it however you want,
not just paying for a flimsy piece of plastic.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-06-15 17:36 [#00741988]
Points: 14550 Status: Lurker



just bear in mind that the band i'm sure had nothing to do
with this copyright stuff.. they're pro-mp3, it's their
label who want to make up for all the losses suffered from
cd burning and mp3 downloading (and then not buying). so if
you really like radiohead, don't punish the band for their
label's wrongheadedness. also, you're missing out on some
really great packaging.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2003-06-15 17:39 [#00741992]
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listen...please read the initial post.....and the other ones
of mine if you need clarifaction....i am a huge radiohead
devotee and have been for years i have every release that i
can get my hands on.....
quote from above:

"that the intent is to provide people
who have allready spent money on the album, with a clean
version free of defects......my intent was to provide REAL
cd version of the album to those who have corrupt and
purchased versions...."


 


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