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no shit, i thought it was an european thing and it wasn't in the US because of the "tolerant" police you have there. |
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alright cheif, in light of certain posts, maybe you were right, yikes! |
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if that post is meant as a serious one, it's certainly the most ignorant reply in quite some time. |
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hip hop is keeping the white man down! |
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it's half and half. on the one hand, obviously there are going to be headz everywhere. it's not exactly an obscure form of music. however, the netherlands and neighboring countries are a continent removed from the culture that invented and still propogate hip-hop--and that's inner city american youth. this isn't strictly regimented of course but you get my point. i don't expect hip-hop to be embraced in the whitest, wealthiest parts of europe, nor did i see a whole lot of people who listen to or seem like they listen to hip-hop when i visited last summer. there are of course exceptions (Archrival could tell you about hip-hop in sweden for instance) but generally speaking it's not embraced or (truly) understood as much as in america. and why would it be, we started it and emceeing only really made an impact in foreign lands within the last 10 years or so. |
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plus it's hard to mc well with an accent (see the streets) |
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yea when i first heard the streets (watching mtv europe in a swedish electronics store) i was like, wow this sucks, what are they thinking with this stuff? i've grown to really enjoy mike skinner though, he's quite good! it just takes some getting used to and some learning about what the hell he's talking about. |
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i think it's an alright album, i just get put off by the constant use of the word "geezer" not even like "what up my geeza" |
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you are so fucking full of shit it's almost scary. |
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spot the new skyfarmer henchman |
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you're right, everything i say is a lie! except for this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! and this! |
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but if you're going to be an asshole, at least answer this question: someone who listens to funkmaster flex mixtapes is to be seen as a real hip-hop fan? |
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yes |
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ok, this thread turned ugly fast... I don't like rap, and that's that... I do enjoy instrumental hip-hop... am I racist? Hell no... if you think I am, then kiss my hairy ass... I don't really care... is that really skyfarmer? Seems too idiotic to be the real titsworth... |
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Judging from what you posted you just don't know anything about the hip-hopscene in the Netherlands, yet you make assumptions about it that are based on what you have or have not seen. So it may come as a total surprise to you that most countries in the rich thriving wealthy parts of Europe have over the course of 15 years or so developed a solid underground hiphopscene with it's own unique flavor, and at the moment the whole culture is really thriving and raw and expanding. To claim it's not understood outside of America because America started it is really another ignorant remark. All countries in Europe also have MC's who rap in their native tongue so the whole accent angle gets nullified there. I can't help but read a bit of a superiority feeling in your posts, and that kinda makes you the stereotypical american you've been slagging off on this board. |
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I love that website. It's funny too how they get so many hate responces from people to 'Sally and Jonny' for making a racist website, when it's obvious that the site was designed by the black folks who appear in it as a great piece of satire on how the african-american culture is falsly percieved by many stupid white americans. It's funny and depressing at the same time. Excellent site. |
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www.blackpeopleloveus.com, that is |
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i'm all about the underground hip hop. Cannibal Ox and Dr Octagon are a couple of my favorite hip hop artists. Autechre show obvious signs of hip hop influence as well. |
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i wish i could express my thoughts like x-tomatic can, because his reply is spot on. |
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<-- wrapped in my native tongue |
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"and emceeing only really made an impact in foreign lands within the last 10 years or so." -titsworth, an hour ago believe me, i'm well aware of the existence of independent hip-hop movements around the world. rza even highlighted them nicely in the world according to rza recently. if you're going to try to "get me" then try harder. what i said is hip-hop isn't as well understood for what it is (not what it's marketed as) in europe--where it's largely though not entirely secondhand--as it is here. my reasons, as stated before, is because it's natural we'd understand it better, we created it and we still make most of the best hip-hop, above ground and underground. and like in america, what do a bunch of rich kids know about hip-hop? usually not much (ask paul barman). i'm not going to stoop to namecalling like some of you (do you really think i care what names you call me?); realize this is just my opinion based on observation and study and that i welcome your counter argument. no reason to be nasty or to oversimplify and distort what i said. if the truth is really on your side then that shouldn't be necessary. |
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Ok, it isn't necessary then. |
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besides, I'm not trying to get you it's just that I don't dig this attitude of "understanding it". It's like saying the phone was invented in England so Nokia doesn't understand it as well as the English phonemakers do. |
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in others words, in the US it's more hyped/popular then it's in the rest of the world. if that's what you mean i think i'll have to agree on that. |
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i am hip hop, and im white, upper middle class, and from maine put on those baggy pants on yall we're going to BE hiphop (dont start saying its not a fashion statement and how its a lifestyle and there are four elements - its music - like anything else) also "rapping" is: To enchant or seize with rapture (according to dictionary.com) ps - if you dont have any jvc force near you, you dont like rap - your a liar |
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mother fuckers trying to fade me |
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that, and it's not lived (see krs-1's temple of hip-hop) like it is here. at least not as commonly. |
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Yes. Lots of good hiphop I enjoy. |
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funk flex volume 3 krs one freestyle: Shut that crap up, you gots no backup. this album fucking rocks and you know it. anyway, not as commonly? and you know this how? obviously not by as many people as our country is a tiny bit smaller, but i think there are a lot of people here who live hiphop as fanatically as anyone, from anywhere. you talk about hiphop like it was created in the states, for the states, and for a select group of people. as far as i'm aware, hiphop is supposed be quite the opposite. |
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I wonder what Onyx sounds like live ? |
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SLAM! SLAM! DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH LET THE BOYS BE BOYS! |
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The only reason I disagree with you is I'm not 100% sure hip hop as a form of music is connected to and more importantly dependant on its roots in poor black NY. I mean can wonderful hip hop be made by a rich white guy about being a rich white guy? I see no reason why not. Think about it, 99% of mainstream hip hop is black people talking about being rich. Besides, rap could be about corruption or government or dissidence or anything. I think saying that a second hand white culture can't rap is equal to saying that people in Africa and Asia cannot create classical music because they can't understand it. Or is hip hop the only form of music that you brand a race onto? Electronic/Country/Classical/Rock are universal but hip hop not? Second of all who is to say it is geographic? Someone who grew up in the slums of the Netherlands might be more connected to hip hop's roots than I am even though I live pretty much in Spanish Harlem, not far across the river from the south south bronx. I think hip hop is way more than the ghetto. At least the hip hop I listen to. |
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When I saw Aesop and El-P in Hemsby, UK there were some def jux fanatics over there.. |
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well said, this is what I exactly what I'm thinking |
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hip-hop doesent have to be singing when i listened to hip-hop i was all about del, pharcyde, hiero, shit like that =D hip-hop was cool but i dont like it anymore :P |
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funk flex mix cd's are 75% commercial garbage. everyone in hip-hop knows he takes PAYOLA to play songs, that's how these artists blow up nowadays. it ain't even a secret. "not as commonly? and you know this how?" as i said, study and observation. Xanatos, i didn't say hip-hop is a "poor black NY" thing! i listen to plenty of hip-hop from all over by all types of different people. please, don't fall into this oversimplification/distortion schtick.. mind what i said, not what you think it might really mean (cos it probably doesn't). didn't say anything about who or what "can" or "cannot" do something; just what's more and less common and why. |
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are you familiar with the hiphop scene in saskatoon? or were you? |
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oh man i wish you were the real kid koala! |
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I respect it but I don't like it, for the same reason I respect but don't listen to country and opera... black people. |
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hahahahaha awesome |
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i will rap about bacon: bacon no fakin dripping grease on the napkin slap down that pork then hoark it down don't choke broke it off in your rectum bacon disectum. |
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bacon bacon ....gimmie su more ....uh uh gimmie su more slap it falt on my griddle turn the heat up let me hear it sizzle |
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it's like that an like this an like that an uh... |
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Hip hop has influenced a shed load of music that I listen to! |
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"electronic music sucks cos i don't like TATU, fatboy slim, moby, and kylie minogue" EXCELLENT TITSWORTH!!! that like my favourite alltime xltronic quote! ;) nice, nice. I totally agree with everything Titsworth saying. |
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hip hop is electronic music vice versa |
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Hey, Americans know Kylie? I see she's wiggled that arse of hers over the Pacific. |
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however, the netherlands and neighboring countries are a continent removed from the culture that invented and still propogate hip-hop sorry, I told myself to stay out of this, but I can't resist. In a way you disqualified yourself that quote. People think hip hop is RnB-giggling with nelly and kelly? aight, who cares? People think electronic music is moby, tatu and scooter? who fucking cares? you won't change their minds continuing the useless discussions (that you declared as useless btw), I guess everybody knows that you know all about the real hip hip/rap by now. posts I quoted above piss me off though. maybe it's because I'm not a native english speaker and can't get the sarcasm, but I think quite a few people feel the same like me. |
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i love hip-hop. like all music, shitty people make and good people make it. |
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anyone saying they hate hip hop will now be send to a padded cell where they play prefuse 24/7 untill they appreciate it |
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