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quarking up the wrong tree.
 

offline Archrival on 2003-06-09 09:38 [#00732998]
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quarking up the wrong tree by patrick harpur, taken from
fortean times magazine.

quantum physics is just another attempt to pin down the
unknowable, and patrick harpur finds echoes in greek
mythology, fairy-lore, ufology and the romantic poets'
excursions into the realms of imagination.



 

offline Archrival on 2003-06-09 09:39 [#00733000]
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ufo's come from: remote planets, inside a hollow earth,
other dimensions, within our psyches and so on. that is,
they come from beyond, below, behind, inside, within etc.
competing theories about ufo origins have one thing in
common - they are all literal readings of spatial metaphors.
this gives us a clue as to their real origin: imagination,
which in esoteric philosophy (such as alchemy) has always
been more important than, say, reason. as described by
coleridge, keats, blake and yeats, imagination is an oceanic
realm of images which exists independently of us, although
we participate in it. it prefers personified images such as
gods and daimons; but 'image' also includes the ideas and
dramatic patterns constituting the myths which (whether we
know it or not) underpin our lives. actually, imagination
does not contain images as 'ocean' or 'realm' imply; it is
image. like plato's 'world' of forms or jung's collective
unconscious, its archetypes cannot be known separately from
the images by which they represent themselves. analogously,
imagination is in itself non-spatial but always represents
itself - imagines itself - in a non-spatial way. so, when
confronted with its images (they can be quasi-physical like
ufo's) we always imagine a space of origin. but these
spaces, whether outer or inner space for instance, are only
metaphors for imagination itself. we are correct to take
them as real, but mistaken if we take them literally. as
sallust said of myths: "these things never happened; they
always are."
in ufology, the multi-spatiality of the theories of ufo
origins represents the non-spatiality of imagination which,
like the traditional definition of god, is 'an intelligible
sphere whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference is
nowhere'. fairy lore sensibly makes multi-spatiality a part
of its beliefs: the faries are simultaneously said to live
underground or in the air, under the sea or on islands out
to the west. the ancient greeks had a similar variety of
locations for the realm of the d


 

offline Archrival on 2003-06-09 09:40 [#00733004]
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the ancient greeks had a similar variety of locations for
the realm of the dead. thus a useful metaphor for
imagination is the 'otherworld', which can be located at
any, or all, of the prepositions i started with. the
'otherworld' begins at the boundaries of the known, whether
off the edge of maps where there be dragons or new worlds;
beyond death where paradises and infernos lie; or, for a
child, simply beyond the garden gate. as literal boundaries
are extended, so the 'otherworld' is re-imagined. as the
earth was explored and the wild places domesticated, their
daimons (fairies for example) shape-shifted into
extraterrestrials. the aliens of the fifties from venus and
mars had to re-locate to distant star systems as soon as
these planets became better understood. the 'otherworld'
also lies beyond the bounds of our senses. the fairy-tale
nature of outer space is evident from the names of its
denizens; red giants, white dwarfs, black holes,
singularities etc. at the edge of the universe,
inconceivably huge somethings recede at speeds close to that
of light. called quasars, they might just as well be called
ufo's. cosmology is more like some archaic gnostic myth than
anything we might recognise as science. at the other end of
the scale, the subatomic 'realm' is simply fairyland. in
both cases the cosy newtonian world is inverted and the laws
of space, time, matter and causality are distorted or
ignored. (in fairyland, time is elastic, space zooms in and
out, matter shape-changes, cause is... acausal and
magical.)



 

offline Archrival on 2003-06-09 09:41 [#00733007]
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in both cases the uncertainty principle applies. fairies,
like particles, are there and not there; like electrons they
are both material and non-magical. they are quantum events
at the bottom of the garden. we cannot know particles in
themselves, but only by the traces they leave, like tiny
yetis. they are as elusive, maddening and paradoxical as
fairies ever were. upness, strangeness and charm are names
as fit for ufo's as for quarks. both fairies and particles
are disturbed by the act of being observed; subject and
object are not finally distinguishable. particles whose
existence is predicted obligingly turn up - if we didn't
know better we might almost say they had been imagined into
existence... and so on.
scientists, like fundamentalists, can easily fall prey to
literalism. their 'otherworlds' are metaphorical realms
literalised into 'fact'. (actually, the whole universe is an
imaginative construct which kindly supplies data for
whatever view of it we care to hold.) the subatomic world is
not a bad imagining; it's just rather grey and meaningless
compared to the glittering halls of fairyland - to say
nothing of the world william blake, without the aid of
particle accelerators, saw in a grain of sand...



 

offline Archrival on 2003-06-09 09:43 [#00733014]
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interesting indeed.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-09 09:47 [#00733020]
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The Fortean times is ace. There was a good TV series based
on it on UK tv a couple of years ago.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2003-06-09 09:49 [#00733025]
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i also loved it. but then the TV show stopped and so did the
magazine it seemed


 

offline disasemble from United States on 2003-06-09 09:50 [#00733027]
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i really dont feel like reading all of that so im just going
to nod and act like im thinking about it.


 

offline Archrival on 2003-06-09 10:01 [#00733035]
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thanx Disasemble Im glad u liked the reading ;)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-09 10:04 [#00733038]
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quite an interesting paradigm. If i read this on amazon.com
or something, i'd probably be interested in buying it. I'm
about to read "6 easy steps" by some supposedly famous
physisist, though I've never heard of him. I'll see if that
can shed any light on what the hell quantum mechanics is
supposed to be, or if the theory has successfully been used
to do anything. I don't know much about it but so far sort
of agree that it's weird... imagined stuff.


 


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