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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-02-21 17:14 [#01083681]
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more oscillators = more IDM power :)
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-21 18:40 [#01083737]
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Yeah, you have to get lots of oscillator power-ups to defeat the boss Pitchfork reviewer at the end of each level.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 19:46 [#01083749]
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you people have no idea what you are talking about. The worst explainations. Totally incorrect
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-21 19:50 [#01083751]
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Are you going to straighten us out or do you just want your ass kicked?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 19:51 [#01083752]
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yeah, sorry, gnocelot is right, go to
http://www.soundonsound.com/articles/Technique.php?session= c1e71781af6e120bb258b98239bf2cfb
for excdellent tutorials
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 20:07 [#01083760]
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Frequency Modulation is done with only Sine waves, but you can make Saw's and Square waves from sine waves...If I'm wrong show me a link ..Please,..The Yamaha's like the DX7 used phase modulation and not frequency modulation contrary name... http://aulos.calarts.edu/pipermail/music-dsp/200 to the 2-January/014085.html
Modular synthesis means that things like Sine oscillator and Saw tooth generators and filters, etc..Can be patched into and through or out of one another freely and are not confined to a predefined patch route. Not physically removing components. Patch cords.Rerouting signal paths. Object Oriented programming is very much the same. A high pass filter on a synth would be defined as a module
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-21 20:26 [#01083764]
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"Object Oriented programming is very much the same."
Exactly - Reaktor is a perfect example of this, with encapsulation and reusability, and interfaces that define public access and private data/methods.
But I dunno about FM - lots of soft synths let you modulate a saw osc with a square etc... you're not limited to sine waves. It may not be the pure academic definition of SM but there ya go.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-02-21 22:35 [#01083801]
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haaaaaaaa
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 22:46 [#01083807]
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"Frequency Modulation is done with only Sine waves, but you can make Saw's and Square waves from sine waves...If I'm wrong show me a link ..Please,..The Yamaha's like the DX7
used phase modulation and not frequency modulation contrary name...
Modular synthesis means that things like Sine oscillator and Saw tooth generators and filters, etc..Can be patched into and through or out of one another freely and are not confined to a predefined patch route. Not physically
removing components. Patch cords.Rerouting signal paths. Object Oriented programming is very much the same. A high pass filter on a synth would be defined as a module"
No, you can use things other then sine waves. Its just that sine waves are the most typical. Look at FM7 for an example... you can use all sorts of waves. And no, the DX7 DID use FM.
What do you mean by " Not physically removing components. Patch cords.Rerouting signal paths."?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:06 [#01083812]
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Frequency Modulation is vibrato. So, yes, you can vibrate the frequency of a sine oscillator with a saw, but you will only create DX7 type sounds by using a sine wave. Cause of the side bands created, or something.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:11 [#01083814]
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Go to the links I provided.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:17 [#01083815]
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A perfect example of a modular synth is an MS-20. Or a Nord. A nord has all these seperate components (modules) that you patch together. You are not bound by someone elses vision. You control what gets patched into what. Because everything has been broken into basic components (modules) like, high pass filter (one module), VCO, or Saw wave, (another module)...That's all.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:18 [#01083816]
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yeah, I know what modular is... its just the way you worded that, it sounded like you were saying you DONT make connections to the other modules.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:20 [#01083817]
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I am not sure about the FM thing. I would like to know for sure if things like Saw waves are creating side bands when oscillating a Sine wave frequency of Phase.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:20 [#01083818]
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neither of those links work
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:21 [#01083819]
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or Phase
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:27 [#01083820]
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Sorry http://aulos.calarts.edu/pipermail/music-dsp/2002-January/0 14090.html
On PM
http://www.soundonsound.com
and click the technique link.
the best tutorials..If you have a good tutorial llink, especially one that explains things like how to synthesize a certain kinds of sounds etc...I would love it..I have the nord pdf, which is good.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:29 [#01083821]
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sorry, I linked the reply
http://aulos.calarts.edu/pipermail/music-dsp/2002-January/0 14085.html
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:35 [#01083822]
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of course FM can use waveforms other then sine waves.
I mean, the basic principle of the different modulator orders (2nd order modulator, 3rd etc) proves it.
Ok, so say you are modulating a sine with a sine. Then end result is a complex waveform... but you can do higher order modulations as well, by modulating another signal, but the output signal of the original carrier, thus making the carrier a modulater, and the original modulater a 2nd order modulater.
The point is, you are modulating the new carrier with a complex wave form. So it only makes sense that you could use a sawtooth wave for example, to modulate the carrier.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:37 [#01083824]
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phase modulation and frequency modulation is really the same thing, but with different names. The end result is the same
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-22 01:00 [#01083840]
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That whole article explains why PM is better than FM. What happens if you stick a Saw generator into the Frequency of a Sine generator? FM? I don't know if the logic that FM creates complex waveforms that beget complex modulator and carriers holds true for standard Sawtooth or Square wave generators..Try it. Don't know.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-02-22 02:55 [#01083893]
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The most common modules:
Oscillator (outputs a constant wave)
Envelope (attack, decay, sustain, release)
Amplifier
Filter (lowpass filters out high frequencies)
LFO (low frequency oscillator, used for modulating other things, modulate the pitch and you get vibrato, from the amp you get tremolo, filters can get farty or have a nice sweep)
Modern modulars have basically anything any other synth has. You can read about real modulars here
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-02-22 03:07 [#01083896]
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You are all up your own ring modulators while phasing each others frequencies to get into each others granular behinds.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2004-02-22 04:40 [#01083982]
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Well, the ms-20 is only semi-modular, because it's not entirely repatchable...
A real modular let's you re-route everything into everything.
Phase Modulation is nearly the same as Frequency Modulation because, like in most filters, you act on the phase of the waves to obtain a certain modification in the frequency domain, so like zeus said the result is pretty much the same when done with the same goal in mind but it's NOT the same...
Granular Synthesis is having little grains with their own parameters (pitch, amplitude, time, ...) you don't specificaly cut a sample in grain.
Spectral Synthesis is creating a sound by working directly on his frequency spectrum.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-02-22 05:08 [#01083999]
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Most so called FM synths, like the DX7, are in fact using phase modulation. You can read about it on Clavia's homepage. There are some nice tutorials and you don't need a modular, if your synth has the same parameters available.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-22 06:54 [#01084087]
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Cheers to Bogala for linking those great articles! I'm learning a lot from them.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-02-22 06:55 [#01084090]
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(off-topic:)
nod32 is working fine so far :)
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