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offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-02-21 17:14 [#01083681]
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more oscillators = more IDM power :)


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-21 18:40 [#01083737]
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Yeah, you have to get lots of oscillator power-ups to defeat
the boss Pitchfork reviewer at the end of each level.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 19:46 [#01083749]
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you people have no idea what you are talking about. The
worst explainations. Totally incorrect


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-21 19:50 [#01083751]
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Are you going to straighten us out or do you just want your
ass kicked?


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 19:51 [#01083752]
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yeah, sorry, gnocelot is right, go to


http://www.soundonsound.com/articles/Technique.php?session=
c1e71781af6e120bb258b98239bf2cfb


for excdellent tutorials


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 20:07 [#01083760]
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Frequency Modulation is done with only Sine waves, but you
can make Saw's and Square waves from sine waves...If I'm
wrong show me a link ..Please,..The Yamaha's like the DX7
used phase modulation and not frequency modulation contrary
name...
http://aulos.calarts.edu/pipermail/music-dsp/200
to the 2-January/014085.html

Modular synthesis means that things like Sine oscillator
and Saw tooth generators and filters, etc..Can be patched
into and through or out of one another freely and are not
confined to a predefined patch route. Not physically
removing components. Patch cords.Rerouting signal paths.
Object Oriented programming is very much the same. A high
pass filter on a synth would be defined as a module


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-21 20:26 [#01083764]
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"Object Oriented programming is very much the same."

Exactly - Reaktor is a perfect example of this, with
encapsulation and reusability, and interfaces that define
public access and private data/methods.

But I dunno about FM - lots of soft synths let you modulate
a saw osc with a square etc... you're not limited to sine
waves. It may not be the pure academic definition of SM but
there ya go.


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-02-21 22:35 [#01083801]
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haaaaaaaa


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 22:46 [#01083807]
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"Frequency Modulation is done with only Sine waves, but you
can make Saw's and Square waves from sine waves...If I'm
wrong show me a link ..Please,..The Yamaha's like the DX7
used phase modulation and not frequency modulation contrary
name...

Modular synthesis means that things like Sine oscillator and
Saw tooth generators and filters, etc..Can be patched into
and through or out of one another freely and are not
confined to a predefined patch route. Not physically
removing components. Patch cords.Rerouting signal paths.
Object Oriented programming is very much the same. A high
pass filter on a synth would be defined as a module"

No, you can use things other then sine waves. Its just that
sine waves are the most typical. Look at FM7 for an
example... you can use all sorts of waves. And no, the DX7
DID use FM.

What do you mean by " Not physically
removing components. Patch cords.Rerouting signal paths."?



 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:06 [#01083812]
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Frequency Modulation is vibrato. So, yes, you can vibrate
the frequency of a sine oscillator with a saw, but you will
only create DX7 type sounds by using a sine wave. Cause of
the side bands created, or something.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:11 [#01083814]
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Go to the links I provided.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:17 [#01083815]
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A perfect example of a modular synth is an MS-20. Or a Nord.
A nord has all these seperate components (modules) that you
patch together. You are not bound by someone elses vision.
You control what gets patched into what. Because everything
has been broken into basic components (modules) like, high
pass filter (one module), VCO, or Saw wave, (another
module)...That's all.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:18 [#01083816]
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yeah, I know what modular is... its just the way you worded
that, it sounded like you were saying you DONT make
connections to the other modules.



 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:20 [#01083817]
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I am not sure about the FM thing. I would like to know for
sure if things like Saw waves are creating side bands when
oscillating a Sine wave frequency of Phase.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:20 [#01083818]
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neither of those links work


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:21 [#01083819]
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or Phase


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:27 [#01083820]
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Sorry

http://aulos.calarts.edu/pipermail/music-dsp/2002-January/0
14090.html


On PM


http://www.soundonsound.com

and click the technique link.

the best tutorials..If you have a good tutorial llink,
especially one that explains things like how to synthesize a
certain kinds of sounds etc...I would love it..I have the
nord pdf, which is good.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:29 [#01083821]
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sorry, I linked the reply


http://aulos.calarts.edu/pipermail/music-dsp/2002-January/0
14085.html


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:35 [#01083822]
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of course FM can use waveforms other then sine waves.

I mean, the basic principle of the different modulator
orders (2nd order modulator, 3rd etc) proves it.

Ok, so say you are modulating a sine with a sine. Then end
result is a complex waveform... but you can do higher order
modulations as well, by modulating another signal, but the
output signal of the original carrier, thus making the
carrier a modulater, and the original modulater a 2nd order
modulater.

The point is, you are modulating the new carrier with a
complex wave form. So it only makes sense that you could use
a sawtooth wave for example, to modulate the carrier.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-02-21 23:37 [#01083824]
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phase modulation and frequency modulation is really the same
thing, but with different names. The end result is the same


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-02-22 01:00 [#01083840]
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That whole article explains why PM is better than FM. What
happens if you stick a Saw generator into the Frequency of a
Sine generator? FM? I don't know if the logic that FM
creates complex waveforms that beget complex modulator and
carriers holds true for standard Sawtooth or Square wave
generators..Try it. Don't know.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-02-22 02:55 [#01083893]
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The most common modules:

Oscillator (outputs a constant wave)

Envelope (attack, decay, sustain, release)

Amplifier

Filter (lowpass filters out high frequencies)

LFO (low frequency oscillator, used for modulating other
things, modulate the pitch and you get vibrato, from the amp
you get tremolo, filters can get farty or have a nice
sweep)

Modern modulars have basically anything any other synth has.
You can read about real modulars here





 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-02-22 03:07 [#01083896]
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You are all up your own ring modulators while phasing each
others frequencies to get into each others granular behinds.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2004-02-22 04:40 [#01083982]
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Well, the ms-20 is only semi-modular, because it's not
entirely repatchable...
A real modular let's you re-route everything into
everything.

Phase Modulation is nearly the same as Frequency Modulation
because, like in most filters, you act on the phase of the
waves to obtain a certain modification in the frequency
domain, so like zeus said the result is pretty much the same
when done with the same goal in mind but it's NOT the
same...

Granular Synthesis is having little grains with their own
parameters (pitch, amplitude, time, ...) you don't
specificaly cut a sample in grain.

Spectral Synthesis is creating a sound by working directly
on his frequency spectrum.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-02-22 05:08 [#01083999]
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Most so called FM synths, like the DX7, are in fact using
phase modulation. You can read about it on Clavia's
homepage. There are some nice tutorials and you don't need a
modular, if your synth has the same parameters available.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2004-02-22 06:54 [#01084087]
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Cheers to Bogala for linking those great articles! I'm
learning a lot from them.


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2004-02-22 06:55 [#01084090]
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(off-topic:)

nod32 is working fine so far :)


 


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